This isn't a counterargument, but sometimes more data isn't better data. I think lidar is super impressive in the right conditions, but debris in the air can be considered a bird even if it's a paper bag. If Waymo is having to still use CV to validate that it's a paper bag, then aren't they having to solve both problems? (Not that that is a bad thing, but it is at least two problems. I'm not certain who will achieve a working system, or if any of the players today will at all.)