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0 pointsplater4y ago0 comments

All energy generation is bad for the environment, just more or less bad. Solar cells and wind power might be "renewable", but it requires a lot of metals and material to build (and also energy), they disturb natural habitat etc. They are much better than coal, oil and gas, but they are not harmless. It's better to avoid using energy if possible than using renewable energy.

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bingbong704y ago

Cavemen used very little energy before the discovery of fire. Are you prescribing a return to that state?

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> waste power

Infinite energy in the universe and everything mankind has achieved has been in large part due to energy consumption. The idea that we should now stop that trend is antihuman/antihuman-progress at its core.

Let the individual/market decide the best uses for energy... not your money = not your choice.

BTW off-planet mining using the sun/stars is a great idea for the future and doesn't require them to be blacked out.

danShumway4y ago

No of course not, that reading isn't any more accurate than it would be to say that you're arguing that we should set up a Dyson sphere around our sun to black out the earth and mine Bitcoin in the vast dead emptiness of space for all eternity[0]. Be careful not to inflate arguments into completely separate positions.

What GP is saying is that switching to renewables doesn't make all of the negative externalities of wasting power go away.

You shouldn't extrapolate out on that to some grand view of the world that says we should never use technology. It just means we shouldn't waste power, and we shouldn't use "solar" as an excuse to waste power.

[0]: After all, Dyson spheres are powered by renewable energy.

bingbong704y ago

> waste power

> not a battery

What's a better way to losslessly and securely store human labor/time for future use? Almost everything else (fiat, gold, silver, real estate, etc...) that exists is debased/debasable, deteriorates, or loses value.

The above arguments completely hinge on energy being "wasted". Lossless labor/time storage isn't "waste" to market participants seeing a need for it and putting their hard earned money behind it.

Bitcoin basically turns one of the hardest to counterfeit things in the universe, energy, into money.

How else can you achieve lossless storage without a trustless secured environment (the bitcoin network)? Any multi-decade/multi-century solution that market participants should focus on instead?

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bingbong704y ago

Cavemen used very little energy before the discovery of fire. Are you prescribing a return to that state?

>>>Response to Dan added here due to rate limit.

> waste power

Let the individual/market decide the best uses for energy... not your money = not your choice.

BTW off-planet mining using the sun/stars is a great idea for the future and doesn't require them to be blacked out.

danShumway4y ago

What GP is saying is that switching to renewables doesn't make all of the negative externalities of wasting power go away.

[0]: After all, Dyson spheres are powered by renewable energy.

bingbong704y ago

> waste power

> not a battery

The above arguments completely hinge on energy being "wasted". Lossless labor/time storage isn't "waste" to market participants seeing a need for it and putting their hard earned money behind it.

Bitcoin basically turns one of the hardest to counterfeit things in the universe, energy, into money.

How else can you achieve lossless storage without a trustless secured environment (the bitcoin network)? Any multi-decade/multi-century solution that market participants should focus on instead?

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