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0 pointsanon77255y ago0 comments

I don’t see how you can claim that Stallman "advocate[d] for rape." Please read what he wrote carefully - he says that it’s not clear that Minsky had knowledge of or intent to commit a crime. You can argue that Minsky was associating with Epstein and should have known what was going on, and that Stallman is totally unwise in his responses here, but don’t accuse him of something that he has not done according to the evidence presented in this issue.

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dragonwriter5y ago

> I don’t see how you can claim that Stallman "advocate[d] for rape." Please read what he wrote carefully - he says that it’s not clear that Minsky had knowledge of or intent to commit a crime.

His pro-child-rape advocacy was separate from his Minsky-might-not-be-a-rapist advocacy (so you can't read the latter carefully to disprove the existence of the former), and he has since recanted it (not that that necessarily means people must disregard it; it wasn't some ancient error born out of youthful ignorance when he endorsed political advocacy for elimination of all age of consent laws).

bitwize5y ago

Maybe not youthful ignorance, but ignorance just the same. RMS's stance was a libertarian "no harm, no crime"; he reversed it when he learned that there is inherent harm in sex between an adult and a child.

You may argue "That's common sense, he had no excuse", but RMS is... neurodiverse enough to have trouble with "common sense" in situations like this.

Anyway, his former views are oddly enough broadly consistent with those of the foundational philosophers behind gender theory and third wave feminism, including Judith Butler and Michel Foucault, both of whom believed that pedophiles constituted a socially oppressed sexual class much like gays. Which makes it unsurprising that "social justice" types tend to take glee in exposing and shaming alleged pedophiles (or pedophile sympathizers) from the other side, while closing ranks to defend pedophiles found within their own ranks.

dragonwriter5y ago

> Maybe not youthful ignorance, but ignorance just the same. RMS's stance was a libertarian "no harm, no crime"; he reversed it when he learned that there is inherent harm in sex between an adult and a child.

Even taking that as absolutely true (which I think is quite suspect, circumstantially), it says something about the judgement and credibility of someone who has spent most of their life in public advocacy roles that they would start publicly arguing for legalization of sex with chidren as public policy not later than the age of 50 (the first public statement on the issue I can find is from 2003), and do so repeatedly over a period of over a decade and a half before “learning” that it his harmful to children (Stallman recanted on the issue in 2019).

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dragonwriter5y ago

> I don’t see how you can claim that Stallman "advocate[d] for rape." Please read what he wrote carefully - he says that it’s not clear that Minsky had knowledge of or intent to commit a crime.

bitwize5y ago

You may argue "That's common sense, he had no excuse", but RMS is... neurodiverse enough to have trouble with "common sense" in situations like this.

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