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0 pointsbloaf5y ago0 comments

> Of course I would rather that the FSF wouldn't allow itself to be seen as an essentially misogynist organization. So clean house, FSF!

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hospadar5y ago

Yeah OP certainly is pushing an ideological agenda, but although "don't be misogynist" is certainly an ideology, it does seem pretty related to the FSF being an effective force in the modern world. If women don't participate or contribute, the FSF _won't_ be effective (or at least, much less effective than it could be).

From the FSF website: "The Free Software Foundation (FSF) is a nonprofit with a worldwide mission to promote computer user freedom. We defend the rights of all software users."

I don't see "make sure RMS feels important and in charge" anywhere in the mission, but I do see "the rights of all software users" in there. Maybe the FSF hasn't noticed women using computers yet?

bloafOP5y ago

I think you've hit the nail on the head. When I see a slogan like "don't be seen as misogynist" my brain fills in "don't be seen [by whom?] as misogynist."

Is Stallman actually impeding the FSF's mission, or just pissing off a vocal silicon valley minority who are already on board with the mission?

lastgeniusua5y ago

Is not continuing to employ abusers what you are questioning here and trying to portray as the new gender issue ideology?

Free software and misogyny aren't the same in the way you might think they are, the former can exist without the latter.

bloafOP5y ago

You asked "where did you find Andy mentioning anything about a new kind of ideological purity?"

I answered with a line where he specifically demands the FSF get rid of people "perceived" as misogynist. I.e. apply a modern gender issue ideological purity test.

Now you have claimed this is a defense of abusers. That is an equivocation, an intellectually dishonest rhetorical tactic. The discussion up to this point was about perceptions of misogyny, which is not the same thing as abuse.

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hospadar5y ago

From the FSF website: "The Free Software Foundation (FSF) is a nonprofit with a worldwide mission to promote computer user freedom. We defend the rights of all software users."

I don't see "make sure RMS feels important and in charge" anywhere in the mission, but I do see "the rights of all software users" in there. Maybe the FSF hasn't noticed women using computers yet?

bloafOP5y ago

I think you've hit the nail on the head. When I see a slogan like "don't be seen as misogynist" my brain fills in "don't be seen [by whom?] as misogynist."

Is Stallman actually impeding the FSF's mission, or just pissing off a vocal silicon valley minority who are already on board with the mission?

lastgeniusua5y ago

Is not continuing to employ abusers what you are questioning here and trying to portray as the new gender issue ideology?

Free software and misogyny aren't the same in the way you might think they are, the former can exist without the latter.

bloafOP5y ago

You asked "where did you find Andy mentioning anything about a new kind of ideological purity?"

I answered with a line where he specifically demands the FSF get rid of people "perceived" as misogynist. I.e. apply a modern gender issue ideological purity test.

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