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0 pointsipiz06185y ago0 comments

China is demonized not because of an accident (if it was one). Even if it's confirmed that a lab accident was the cause, China holds the blame for hiding the truth, telling the world it's all okay, and arresting people that dared to speak out (even causing their deaths). No matter what was the origin, China is responsible for the outbreak.

Btw, I don't think we can ever find out the truth. It's been over a year, and China has all the time to clean up and conceal every piece of evidence. The WHO scientific team's visit to Wuhan is no difference to investigating a murder scene a year after the event, with the murderer living in it all that time. Nothing but a joke.

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bitcharmer5y ago

I couldn't agree more. There is so much evidence of China suppressing information I don't understand how so many people dismiss their role in spreading the virus beyond their borders.

They had a choice to make: country-wide lockdown and travel ban or lie about it and make it spread worldwide. The former would leave their economy in a disadvantaged state while the latter would level the playing field for the rest of the world and give China opportunity to even earn some dough in the process (PTE sales). Now, this may be a cynical view but so are China's leaders. If you're someone who strongly believes this scenario could not have transpired, you're just naive.

ktzar5y ago

China did a harder lockdown than any other country has done. Right from the beginning. Took an immense toll to its economy, right from the beginning. A WHO team was there investigating and gathering information on public health from the beginning.

I'm sorry, but in this case, China is the country who told the rest of the world what to do and the west, with its superiority mentality over the east, ignored it and got a while year economy down the drain.

In my book, conspiracies will always make their way to those who want to believe them.

toxik5y ago

China pissed and moaned when the WHO was considering recommending banning Chinese air traffic in precaution. Then swiftly banned Western air traffic when the shoe was on the other foot.

Many such examples exist. China did not lead by example, at all. What a strange take.

heidar5y ago

The CCP didn't do it right from the beginning. It took them almost two months to even acknowledge the virus was spreading between humans and was dangerous.

All they did was try to downplay it and cover it up, until it had spread not only throughout China, but the rest of the world. That's despite having systems in place for exactly the purpose of catching viruses like covid-19 early and quickly.

It's a great example of why ineffective bureaucracy, combined with a bad system of governance and a culture where saving face is hugely important, is harmful to humanity.

Jan4545y ago

Yeah, and the US took it almost 2 more month to do the same, so no difference here...

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loudtieblahblah5y ago

I like how china's over the top, authoritarian measures, sometimes including sealing people in their homes physically, is idolized by people in the west.

We could have double the death rate and I still wouldn't concede this. And I wear a mask, wife and I wfh. Kid is still at home.

toxik5y ago

Please don’t wear your wife

Jan4545y ago

Seems the same behaviour with any other country. Can you name just one that would behave different? So this is no accusation but just business as usual.

Besides, why at all trying to blame anyone on this? It's a natural disaster that could happen to anyone anywhere. The real culprit is, that as long as the wealthy don't try to vaccinate everyone in this world as quickly as possible, the virus still has potential to mutate to sth. where current vaccines don't protect against ..

rsanek5y ago

Which other governments arrested & jailed people for reporting on the outbreak?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-54969682

aww_dang5y ago

Minor nitpick, but it would be more accurate to use CCP in place of China in this comment.

herbst5y ago

> No matter what was the origin, China is responsible for the outbreak.

Even if thats the case its still the shitty response in the west, ignoring any chinese advice, that made this a global thing.

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bitcharmer5y ago

I couldn't agree more. There is so much evidence of China suppressing information I don't understand how so many people dismiss their role in spreading the virus beyond their borders.

ktzar5y ago

In my book, conspiracies will always make their way to those who want to believe them.

toxik5y ago

China pissed and moaned when the WHO was considering recommending banning Chinese air traffic in precaution. Then swiftly banned Western air traffic when the shoe was on the other foot.

Many such examples exist. China did not lead by example, at all. What a strange take.

heidar5y ago

The CCP didn't do it right from the beginning. It took them almost two months to even acknowledge the virus was spreading between humans and was dangerous.

It's a great example of why ineffective bureaucracy, combined with a bad system of governance and a culture where saving face is hugely important, is harmful to humanity.

Jan4545y ago

Yeah, and the US took it almost 2 more month to do the same, so no difference here...

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loudtieblahblah5y ago

I like how china's over the top, authoritarian measures, sometimes including sealing people in their homes physically, is idolized by people in the west.

We could have double the death rate and I still wouldn't concede this. And I wear a mask, wife and I wfh. Kid is still at home.

toxik5y ago

Please don’t wear your wife

Jan4545y ago

Seems the same behaviour with any other country. Can you name just one that would behave different? So this is no accusation but just business as usual.

rsanek5y ago

Which other governments arrested & jailed people for reporting on the outbreak?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-54969682

aww_dang5y ago

Minor nitpick, but it would be more accurate to use CCP in place of China in this comment.

herbst5y ago

> No matter what was the origin, China is responsible for the outbreak.

Even if thats the case its still the shitty response in the west, ignoring any chinese advice, that made this a global thing.

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