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0 pointsandrewon5y ago0 comments

Several considerations here:

1. If holding off AstraZeneca vaccine does not affect vaccination rate during the investigation period, it is a prudent thing to do.

2. If vaccine rate is expected to drop, number of expected increase in death per day due to covid vs blood clog should be compared, if we were to minimize short term death.

3. More concerning is unknown effect that could take a long time to materialize. This is a tough call to make since any effect is only theoretical at this point.

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_ph_5y ago

Vaccination rate in Germany will drop considerably while the hold is in place, at least 20%, if not more. I don't know the exact numbers, but vaccination is quite blocked on vaccine supply at the moment.

yladiz5y ago

This isn't really true for the AstraZeneca vaccine, though. There's supply, but people don't seem to trust it and it's just sitting on the shelves because even when people book an appointment they don't show up. I'm sure the number of vaccinations _will_ drop, because it's one of the only few vaccines being distributed, but I doubt it will be as high as you mention here.

_ph_5y ago

There have been some delays due to the fact that initially it was only used for people under 65 and only medical personal was qualified to be vaccinated with it - all other vaccinations were limited to 80 and above. But by now the AZ vaccine is used for all age groups and the vaccination has been offered to wider groups. Now, vaccination is mostly limited by availability.

krzyk5y ago

> This isn't really true for the AstraZeneca vaccine, though.

It is (or was), AZ was to supply EU with 500M vaccines this year but changed that to 200M.

EU got really served on the vaccine front, UK got more from AZ, US got more from Pfizer/Moderna (both have 3x more vaccinated than EU). And each transport that we ought to get is smaller or dalayed.

I wouldn't be surprised if governments there blocked some of the vaccine export.

I really hope that there will be a backslash for those companies for not fulfilling their obligations. If not now then later when there is a race for subsidies for "free" prescription medications.

_ph_5y ago

From what was just shown on the TV, it is currently more like 30-40% AZ vaccinations.

polytely5y ago

don't discount trust in the vaccination process, it might be better to visible respond to anomalies to signal that the system that makes sure vaccinations are safe actually works.

finolex15y ago

Ironically, the suspension of vaccines has now sowed far more doubt than some isolated reports of blood clots would have.

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0 pointsandrewon5y ago0 comments

Several considerations here:

1. If holding off AstraZeneca vaccine does not affect vaccination rate during the investigation period, it is a prudent thing to do.

2. If vaccine rate is expected to drop, number of expected increase in death per day due to covid vs blood clog should be compared, if we were to minimize short term death.

3. More concerning is unknown effect that could take a long time to materialize. This is a tough call to make since any effect is only theoretical at this point.

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_ph_5y ago

yladiz5y ago

_ph_5y ago

krzyk5y ago

> This isn't really true for the AstraZeneca vaccine, though.

It is (or was), AZ was to supply EU with 500M vaccines this year but changed that to 200M.

EU got really served on the vaccine front, UK got more from AZ, US got more from Pfizer/Moderna (both have 3x more vaccinated than EU). And each transport that we ought to get is smaller or dalayed.

I wouldn't be surprised if governments there blocked some of the vaccine export.

I really hope that there will be a backslash for those companies for not fulfilling their obligations. If not now then later when there is a race for subsidies for "free" prescription medications.

_ph_5y ago

From what was just shown on the TV, it is currently more like 30-40% AZ vaccinations.

polytely5y ago

don't discount trust in the vaccination process, it might be better to visible respond to anomalies to signal that the system that makes sure vaccinations are safe actually works.

finolex15y ago

Ironically, the suspension of vaccines has now sowed far more doubt than some isolated reports of blood clots would have.

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse