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0 pointsfshbbdssbbgdd5y ago0 comments

Sure, but there have been proposed laws requiring deplatforming of hate speech, and some have even passed: https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/13/tech/french-hate-speech-socia...

Many keyboards have been worn out debating about the difference between the first amendment and free speech, but can we isolate to one case or the other here and set that issue aside in one thread?

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lallysingh5y ago

Which government and which people? The link's about French laws. The parent article is a state in the USA. Different beliefs in many areas.

fshbbdssbbgddOP5y ago

Ok, if a law that passed in France isn’t relevant, let’s look at proposals from politicians in the US: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/12/3/20965459/t...

I enjoy splitting hairs too, but I feel that the distinction between government and platform authority, and Europe and US law, would be used by either side of the porn-deplatforming-supporter and hate-speech-deplatforming-supporter dichotomy when convenient, so is not really a relevant distinction. We can probably locate similar proposals from each of the government/commercial (authority) and porn/hate-speech (content) quadrants, and observe the same dichotomy of reactions.

I feel these are all just justifications that people will deploy when applicable to the tribe they are defending, they don’t explain away the tribes.

lallysingh5y ago

That link is more relevant. I don't mean to split hairs. Different nations (cultures? belief systems?) will feel differently about them and make different decisions. I don't think that a discussion that doesn't separate them out will end up anywhere productive.

ceejayoz5y ago

> French parliament

C'mon.

fshbbdssbbgddOP5y ago

So when debating the merits of government policy, we can’t talk about Utah and France in the same conversation? I understand that this would make it harder to fit into local tribalist conflicts.

vinger5y ago

Both are church driven societies

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0 pointsfshbbdssbbgdd5y ago0 comments

Sure, but there have been proposed laws requiring deplatforming of hate speech, and some have even passed: https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/13/tech/french-hate-speech-socia...

Many keyboards have been worn out debating about the difference between the first amendment and free speech, but can we isolate to one case or the other here and set that issue aside in one thread?

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lallysingh5y ago

Which government and which people? The link's about French laws. The parent article is a state in the USA. Different beliefs in many areas.

fshbbdssbbgddOP5y ago

Ok, if a law that passed in France isn’t relevant, let’s look at proposals from politicians in the US: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/12/3/20965459/t...

I feel these are all just justifications that people will deploy when applicable to the tribe they are defending, they don’t explain away the tribes.

lallysingh5y ago

ceejayoz5y ago

> French parliament

C'mon.

fshbbdssbbgddOP5y ago

So when debating the merits of government policy, we can’t talk about Utah and France in the same conversation? I understand that this would make it harder to fit into local tribalist conflicts.

vinger5y ago

Both are church driven societies

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse