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0 pointslaurent925y ago0 comments

and Java?

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The Java community has some great developers, but also a lot of Serious Software Engineers who will sabotage everything with extra complexity, and then everyone who learned Java in school and never felt like looking at another language (not even Kotlin).

Java is definitely "boring technology", but hiring random Java developers will probably sink a company faster than doing the same for Go.

cbm-vic-205y ago

The GP comment mentions the need for finding engineers with "a proven track record of delivering value", yet here we have a concern about "hiring random Java developers".

Is the industry biased against great engineers who have been working with Java for the past 20 years, even if they "deliver value" (which is pretty much impossible to determine externally)?

lostcolony5y ago

No.

But I, personally, am biased against hiring people with only Java on their resume. Because 90% of the time what I've encountered are people who haven't examined their technology choices, questioned the status quo, tried to -improve- things.

That's not a sleight on Java, per se, but it is against anyone with only one language on their resume. It's just that if there is only one language on a resume in web dev land, it's almost always Java.

blandflakes5y ago

Yup - it's possible to build uncomplicated software in Java, especially in recent iterations of Java and more... restrained modern frameworks. However, there's no guarantee that you're actually going to either join a team or hire a Java expert with those tastes.

whimsicalism5y ago

> everyone who learned Java in school and never felt like looking at another language

A large reason I avoid Java teams.

cutler5y ago

Although still new I'm wondering whether Kotlin could be admitted to the boring technology category given that it was built to dovetail with Java and has first class Spring support?

stepbeek5y ago

I’ve found kotlin to be wonderfully boring. There are definitely some sharp knives that get abused though. I’ve met a few people who want to throw OO in the bin and treat kotlin as pure FP to their detriment.

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user59944615y ago

Startups are more commonly on python/ruby/node/php. It's faster to start with and to iterate.

Java and .Net are more common in longer-lived, larger projects, or when performance matters.

hackerfromthefu5y ago

and where maintainability and tco matter

collyw5y ago

I think maintainability is mostly down to developer skill and the ability to abstract to the right level. A good Python dev will likely leave far more maintainable code than an average Java dev.

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