Google open sourcing voice and video engine for the web (opens in new tab)

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228 pointsgaika14y ago43 comments

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Is this Google's response to MS purchasing skype? Seems like the classic strategy of commoditizing your competitor's business (and they get a 2-for-1 deal since Apple is also wielding FaceTime).

rryan14y ago

Hm, I don't think so. This post is dated May 3rd, which predates the Skype deal's announcement by 7 days. Also, the WhatWG group for RTC's mailing list was first posted to April 12, 2011. So that potentially indicates this was in the works beforehand. Since Google purportedly put in a bid for Skype they no-doubt knew Skype was on the market, though.

I would guess this is more likely a response to FaceTime. Apple's core business is around getting people to buy iPhones, and FaceTime is exclusive to the iPhone and other Apple products.

rdtsc14y ago

There is an IETF realtime-web working group :

http://tools.ietf.org/wg/rtcweb/charters

and this is part of Google's involvement with that.

However the original question is still valid, as this release might have been accelerated quite a bit because MS bought Skype.

TuxPirate14y ago

We can also see the project's creation time on http://code.google.com/p/webrtc/updates/list, Jan 27 2011

baconface14y ago

great point. I think a major reason MS bought skype was integrate it with kinect, which somewhat mitigates this.

r00fus14y ago

Apple, where is the Facetime open spec that you promised? Google may just beat them to the punch.

jmreid14y ago

Apparently, the FaceTime team wasn't aware that it was to be made an open standard until Steve said it on stage: http://daringfireball.net/linked/2011/05/11/facetime-standar...

dave1010uk14y ago

Just found the slide listing the "standards" FaceTime uses [1]: H.264, AAC, SIP, STUN, TURN, ICE, RTP and SRTP. From the list, the only thing left for someone else to integrate with FT would be friend management and presence (online status). Something like Jabber could probably handle this bit pretty well.

[1] http://ugc.kontain.com/photo/20100607/prod_519da669-212a-414...

c_t_montgomery14y ago

I'm not sure if they intend to or not, but who knows - wwdc is coming up, and this may be perfect timing for them to strike back.

baconface14y ago

does Apple really intend to do this?

durin4214y ago

I remember the facetime announcement including that they were going to publish it as an open standard, and I'm not the only one:

  "The company said it plans to make FaceTime an open industry standard, potentially allowing 
  communication with other devices." 
  -- http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/10/06/07/apple_announces_open_standard_facetime_video_chat_for_iphone_4.html

and it's not just AppleInsider - that's just the first non-wikipedia hit for the search "facetime open standard". That said, they never (to my knowledge) delivered, which is a shame. At least now there's something, though it's a pity that FT users will likely be left out.

angusgr14y ago

Does anyone have any ideas what the timeline for browser support is likely to be?

The website currently says they've been working closely with Mozilla and we expect to see WebRTC support in Firefox and Chrome soon!.

rryan14y ago

I wonder when Safari will get WebRTC support?

grimen14y ago

Isn't that about survival of the fittest? Why use a browser that don't support shit when there is a few that does. Might work for now, but not in the future.

taken1114y ago

vp8 support? once steve is gone.

yblokhin14y ago

Finally we know what's going with iLBC codec. For more than a year it's been in a limbo.

cdibona14y ago

Yep, sorry about that. You can still use the old code under the old license, but you can also use it under the new (and more permissive and favorable) license.

car14y ago

Very nice, thank you Google.

Glancing over the API docs, I'm not clear what will be used for signaling. It appears to be based on XMPP/Jingle, am I right?

What about SIP?

walexander14y ago

From the FAQ: Builds on the strength of the web browser: WebRTC abstracts signaling by offering a signaling state machine that maps directly to PeerConnection. Web developers can therefore choose the protocol of choice for their usage scenario (for example, but not limited to: SIP, XMPP/Jingle, etc...).

jbk14y ago

How do iLBC and iSAC compare to the (also open source) Celt, Silk and Opus (Silk+Celt) codecs?

zokier14y ago

What does this mean to existing SIP/Jingle based systems? Are they now deprecated, or is there some kind of interoperability planned?

dblock14y ago

One way to decimate adversaries is to open-source your entire competitive advantage. Unfortunately that only works when you’re the market leader.

So nobody cares about open-sourcing WebRTC. Something that would be actually noticeable in this field right now would be Microsoft that open-sources Skype and gives everything away under the BSD license.

bad_user14y ago

     So nobody cares about open-sourcing WebRTC

Except the people that would want to use it? Think of Chatroulette.

     Something that would be actually noticeable in this 
     field right now would be Microsoft that open-sources
     Skype

Noticeable yes, but useful, not really.

What would be useful is for Skype to become a standard that allows interoperability with other services and protocols, such that you could build a client, like a website, that would allow users with a GTalk account to video-call Skype users. Now that would be something.

tobylane14y ago

If Pidgin (the cross platform IM framework that Adium/others use) doesn't get this, I'll be sad/grumpy.

reustle14y ago

Not long until I'll be able to video chat on my Android via Google Talk, woo!

natrius14y ago

This is already possible on Gingerbread phones.

drivebyacct214y ago

Actually the GTalk update that was released with 2.3.4 uses Neon-specific code rather than the actual video API that Google wrote themselves. It makes no sense and it's the reason that GTalk doesn't have video chat on other Gingerbread phones.

dave1010uk14y ago

I didn't know Android doesn't have video chat with Google Talk yet. That seems strange, considering some Nokia phones have it built in: http://thehandheldblog.com/2010/02/02/gtalk-video-chat-is-po...

odiroot14y ago

So is this another segment of HTML5 block or a completely novel idea?

It looks like a <device> element with streaming but they don't mention it at all.

chopsueyar14y ago

Good work, Microsoft!

Embrace and extend.

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43 comments

zmmmmm14y ago

Is this Google's response to MS purchasing skype? Seems like the classic strategy of commoditizing your competitor's business (and they get a 2-for-1 deal since Apple is also wielding FaceTime).

rryan14y ago

I would guess this is more likely a response to FaceTime. Apple's core business is around getting people to buy iPhones, and FaceTime is exclusive to the iPhone and other Apple products.

rdtsc14y ago

There is an IETF realtime-web working group :

http://tools.ietf.org/wg/rtcweb/charters

and this is part of Google's involvement with that.

However the original question is still valid, as this release might have been accelerated quite a bit because MS bought Skype.

TuxPirate14y ago

We can also see the project's creation time on http://code.google.com/p/webrtc/updates/list, Jan 27 2011

baconface14y ago

great point. I think a major reason MS bought skype was integrate it with kinect, which somewhat mitigates this.

r00fus14y ago

Apple, where is the Facetime open spec that you promised? Google may just beat them to the punch.

jmreid14y ago

Apparently, the FaceTime team wasn't aware that it was to be made an open standard until Steve said it on stage: http://daringfireball.net/linked/2011/05/11/facetime-standar...

dave1010uk14y ago

[1] http://ugc.kontain.com/photo/20100607/prod_519da669-212a-414...

c_t_montgomery14y ago

I'm not sure if they intend to or not, but who knows - wwdc is coming up, and this may be perfect timing for them to strike back.

baconface14y ago

does Apple really intend to do this?

durin4214y ago

I remember the facetime announcement including that they were going to publish it as an open standard, and I'm not the only one:

  "The company said it plans to make FaceTime an open industry standard, potentially allowing 
  communication with other devices." 
  -- http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/10/06/07/apple_announces_open_standard_facetime_video_chat_for_iphone_4.html

angusgr14y ago

Does anyone have any ideas what the timeline for browser support is likely to be?

The website currently says they've been working closely with Mozilla and we expect to see WebRTC support in Firefox and Chrome soon!.

rryan14y ago

I wonder when Safari will get WebRTC support?

grimen14y ago

Isn't that about survival of the fittest? Why use a browser that don't support shit when there is a few that does. Might work for now, but not in the future.

taken1114y ago

vp8 support? once steve is gone.

yblokhin14y ago

Finally we know what's going with iLBC codec. For more than a year it's been in a limbo.

cdibona14y ago

Yep, sorry about that. You can still use the old code under the old license, but you can also use it under the new (and more permissive and favorable) license.

car14y ago

Very nice, thank you Google.

Glancing over the API docs, I'm not clear what will be used for signaling. It appears to be based on XMPP/Jingle, am I right?

What about SIP?

walexander14y ago

jbk14y ago

How do iLBC and iSAC compare to the (also open source) Celt, Silk and Opus (Silk+Celt) codecs?

zokier14y ago

What does this mean to existing SIP/Jingle based systems? Are they now deprecated, or is there some kind of interoperability planned?

dblock14y ago

One way to decimate adversaries is to open-source your entire competitive advantage. Unfortunately that only works when you’re the market leader.

bad_user14y ago

     So nobody cares about open-sourcing WebRTC

Except the people that would want to use it? Think of Chatroulette.

     Something that would be actually noticeable in this 
     field right now would be Microsoft that open-sources
     Skype

Noticeable yes, but useful, not really.

tobylane14y ago

If Pidgin (the cross platform IM framework that Adium/others use) doesn't get this, I'll be sad/grumpy.

reustle14y ago

Not long until I'll be able to video chat on my Android via Google Talk, woo!

natrius14y ago

This is already possible on Gingerbread phones.

drivebyacct214y ago

dave1010uk14y ago

I didn't know Android doesn't have video chat with Google Talk yet. That seems strange, considering some Nokia phones have it built in: http://thehandheldblog.com/2010/02/02/gtalk-video-chat-is-po...

odiroot14y ago

So is this another segment of HTML5 block or a completely novel idea?

It looks like a <device> element with streaming but they don't mention it at all.

chopsueyar14y ago

Good work, Microsoft!

Embrace and extend.

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