They've missed the fact that every single thing they've excerpted there applies equally to google. Algorithm, engagement, conspiracy theory, disinformation, recommendations to more of the same is precisely what YouTube does. For both "With a computer" in the description which is necessary for how recommendation algorithms work has again caused the overwhelming majority of politicians, public servants, commentators to have their brain fall out of their ear. These recommendation algos were censoriship before censorship suddenly got cool a few weeks ago.
Save us from being protected from censoriship by Apple. You'd have to be stone cold crazy to trust Apple now and forever into the future and they are hoarding your data every chance they get themselves with zero consequences beyond PR if they change their policy tomorrow, next year or in 5 years time.
Separately to that, I've never seen a (directly paid for) advert for apple product on the internet. Plenty on the tv. A plethora of manipulated 3rd rate news pieces [1]. Do they advertise on the internet at all? They seem to be very good at advertising.
[1] Is there anyone in Apple's league for convincing news outlets to run their advertisments for free? Elon Musk, for sure. Is he even better? Anyone else? Donald Trump's political advertising maybe? What have you noticed that I might have missed here?
The demands from privacy by Apple are right, just combine them with anti-trust measures like open APIs that break Apples walled garden down and the internet would be useable again. It'd be pretty easy to get rid of both censorship and restore people's privacy if the will was there.
There have also been outcrys against the non genuine battery notices - getting rid of that will let the China battery folks in more for better and worse.
The big risk to apple - right now you don't have to think too much - there's a lot of trust. If the open everything up they may lose what people are willing to pay for in terms of trust as folks have to navigate more complicated business relationships
>The demands from privacy by Apple are right
Apple still collect the data. They can change their policies to do literally anything with that data anytime they like. Apple deciding what is good for me is something I neither need nor want.
Apple don't pay tax, they do pay lobbying and political donations while courting the favour of politicians. That's a problem in my eyes. Apple have a huge interest in downplaying it. Do you really think they won't? They could do that quite thoroughly without the people at apple who see it differently to me even noticiing they were doing it. Tweak some algos, back test, that's great there's no problem there, push the release button.
In the realm of lack of choice, WhatsApp (also a FB property!) is pretty hard to avoid in certain countries. So FB the company is hard to avoid, but FB the site doesn't seem so to me.
This is something Apple has always flirted with and I’d welcome it as part of their brand. So what they might not actually take down FB. But clearly establishing their values isn’t just an opportunity to buy a product, it’s part of the conversation about what role we want technology to have in our lives and our society.
This is not an article about a speech that itself may end Facebook. This is an article about a speech given to formally announce a decision Apple has made to protect its users from Facebook's insane data collection.
When it comes to empowering users to control and modify/repair their own devices and the software running on them apple are the bad guys.
You'll see different responses depending on the topic at hand.
The piece you're missing is that there are different groups of "fanboys". When a particular news story reinforces one group's ideas, you hear a lot from them in the comments. When news is ambiguous or non-threatening to a group, they stay silent in the comments. (If it's threatening they come out to defend)
This issue is that there simply isn’t much choice in the market here - between Google and Apple it’s two companies from the same area espousing the same political culture. Having them influence and control the entire world between them is dangerous. Unfortunately I don’t see viable competition for them on mobile devices. Who would we look to - Purism?
Nokia n900 is still peak smartphone a decade after it was killed.
And as much as I dislike Facebook, I dislike even more the more evil alternatives that could exist.
We're lucky that it's just Zuckerberg - some nerd that lucked his way into a lot of money. There are plenty of people that could be more nefarious - particularly if the power is shared among a group of people where blame can even further be distributed.
I don't want to get too political and name names, but there are certain companies that are magnitudes worse - that can be tied directly to concentration camps, cartels, war crimes, mass scale environmental destruction. And they don't get held accountable because they're made up of boards of shadowy people that know how to stay out of the public eye and grease the right wheels.
and yet, you
> don't want to get too political and name names
So they stay shadowy, and continue to be out of the public eye.
Facebook sows discord because people are more engaged. They collect data to know exactly what makes you furious and keep screaming.
It’s interesting actually that Facebook could make gobs of money by not trying to optimize for engagement and just let people naturally follow all their friends and family and waste time. All this extra harm is caused for just an extra few percent on top of a pile of money.
A bit like how eco friendliness of products creeped its way into more mindshare. And one day manufacturers wake up and realise it has critical mass
Facebook, et al are engaged in an effort to co-opt the freedom and privacy of people the world over and make our entire lives data points to increase their profitability.
By depriving us of privacy and choice around our information spheres, these practices derail and stultify our liberty and ability to knowledgeably practice self-determination.
This has been done with the tacit support (with a few notable exceptions) of frightened government officials who don't want to be blamed for another 9/11-like occurrence.
As Shoshanna Zhuboff put it in her recent OpEd Piece[0]:
"The epistemic coup proceeds in four stages.
The first is the appropriation of epistemic rights, which lays the foundation for all that follows. Surveillance capitalism originates in the discovery that companies can stake a claim to people’s lives as free raw material for the extraction of behavioral data, which they then declare their private property.
The second stage is marked by a sharp rise in epistemic inequality, defined as the difference between what I can know and what can be known about me. The third stage, which we are living through now, introduces epistemic chaos caused by the profit-driven algorithmic amplification, dissemination and microtargeting of corrupt information, much of it produced by coordinated schemes of disinformation. Its effects are felt in the real world, where they splinter shared reality, poison social discourse, paralyze democratic politics and sometimes instigate violence and death.
In the fourth stage, epistemic dominance is institutionalized, overriding democratic governance with computational governance by private surveillance capital. The machines know, and the systems decide, directed and sustained by the illegitimate authority and anti-democratic power of private surveillance capital. Each stage builds on the last."
[0] https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/29/opinion/sunday/facebook-s...
Especially, if the user is logged in app owner can send data to their backend and send it to Facebook from there. Like many of those marketing / analytics companies ask you to do.
For the long term tracking, the app owners can still generate uniq identifier and store on device storage, can't they? I guess the only functionality Facebook or any ad network would lose will be cross-app tracking. But I'm not sure how important is that.
The initial reaction Facebook gave to this was too aggressive and Apple will push back for sure with their own way. We all have bloody cookie confirmation on all websites and people mostly just click ok. Isn't that gonna be the same for the apps? In iOS14 modal asking you for confirmation, is it gonna say "Facebook wants to access idfa?" or "X application wants to access idfa?"
