All of these apps seem to hate open platforms and third party clients; Signal just as much as WhatsApp. I wouldn't even mind using WhatsApp if I could just open a browser window on any modern computer and log on like I can with Twitter. But no, I need to have a smartphone with either Android or IOS. They all want that magic unique personal identifier that is the mobile phone number to prevent you from having more than one persona, and they all want their closed apps as the sole way of using their service.

Of course, that requirement is exactly how they implement the user lock-in, so it's not going anywhere until legislation forces them to open up.

I don't think it's the Russian government you should be concerned about when using Telegram. Sure, TG is far from a secure platform, but the Russians have spent considerable effort trying to shut it down so out of all the possibilities, I'd say TG being in Russian hands is among the smallest.

Ah. That's why Russian government was trying to block Telegram for over two years. Good to know.

>Telegram is to the russian government what whatsapp is to the US government.

Do you have a source for that. Telegram is built by the VKontakt guys who Putin famously fucked over.

And that's why we have Matrix.

Instead of surrendering we - technically aware people - should think about possibilities to make them respect privacy or think about ways to change the situation.

I have messaged a bunch of my EU friends with this article. Most of them were shocked.

If WhatsApp can’t be legally compliant then they simply can’t provide the service. It’s up to them.

> If you need to force people to use alternatives it's because they are not much better to begin with.

This isn't necessarily true - that's basically the problem with monopolies and the point of anti-trust. The network effect really can entrench an inferior product.

Main reason I use whats app is because everyone else I deal with uses whats app, not because it has specific features. I could probably list a different chat app and social networking site for every time I switched a school and when I started to study.

> Telegram is not even encrypted by default and there is no option for encrypted groups.

Friendly reminder that encryption is more than E2E-encryption despite what certain people on HN thinks.

Telegram is encrypted point-to-point by default. Same as banks, modern mail etc.

Can we stop spreading technical misinformation now, please? There's plenty of other issues with Telegram and if we stop crying wolf over the neighbors grand danois people might actually believe us when there is an actual wolf.