Since complex voice-recognition (of other than the activation hotword) is done off-device, you will be able to see network traffic as a result of this occurring. That's quite simple to check for.
Wrong. It’s been feasible to do on-device for years[0][1].
> That's quite simple to check for.
It’s also quite simple to check that it happens, if you have a Google phone. It’s been done in front of me last year[2]. It’s been demonstrated to happen by other people than me, so you don’t have to rely on my word here[3].
> a single person, ever, would have been able to furnish evidence of how this actually works.
I don’t think it’s easy to show how this works under the hood, since speech can be recognized on device and devices communicate with remote services very verbosely over HTTPS (probably with certificates pinned to prevent MITM) making it non-trivial to distinguish that traffic from background network activity. Recognized speech data doesn’t have to be communicated in real-time, in fact it would make sense to wait and batch it with other requests for efficiency.
(There’s a technical paper[4] that summarizes research in this direction as of 2019, and turns out it’s not trivial to definitely prove or disprove based on network activity.)
[0] https://ai.googleblog.com/2019/03/an-all-neural-on-device-sp...
[1] https://medium.com/better-programming/ios-speech-recognition...
[2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25622659
[3] https://www.vice.com/en/article/wjbzzy/your-phone-is-listeni...
[4] https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-030-22479-0_...
A number of other anecdotal experiments, such as one performed by myself, failed to show this behavior. A more tightly controlled but still informal experiment by a vaguely related security firm failed to find this behavior[1]. An academic effort by researchers at Northwestern failed to find this behavior [2]. This is by far the most thorough academic effort on the topic I have seen.
Facebook has clearly denied it [3]. Google has not issued such a clear statement but has been reasonably open about changes in their policy on voice data [4]. After considering the issue from several angles, P. J. Vogt concluded that no such thing happens [5]. Even the paper you cite notes the total lack of evidence.
Perhaps most notably, almost all of the popular media reporting that bears headlines saying that your phone is listening to your conversations, actually say no such thing when you read the article. Instead they are talking about analytics on voice assistant activations and, frequently, voice memos in Facebook Messenger. Amusingly I've run into two cases where popular press had to issue retractions or corrections after they said that smartphones were always-listening.
The only serious sources I have ever seen assert that this is happening are Vice's Sam Nichols based on Dr. Henway. Henway makes some very specific claims to two different reporters but provides no explanation of how he came to that knowledge. To an almost comical extent, nearly all reporting in favor of this theory (that even claims to have a source) is based around the exact same quote from Henway, who has never published anything formal on the matter or even really elaborated beyond a single paragraph. Nichols only performs a very basic experiment and it is easy to come up with other ways he may have gotten the result he did - in fact, the experiment he performs is nearly identical to the ones performed by others that have failed to show results.
Look, I'm not totally unreceptive to the idea that this is happening, but I don't like people repeating the assertion-as-fact that it is a widespread behavior when major tech companies that have denied it, and no real evidence has ever been amassed to show that it does happen.
Just my opinion, but... well, just all of our opinions. Let's be careful about calling them facts.
[1] https://www.wandera.com/phone-listening/ [2] https://www.ftc.gov/system/files/documents/public_events/141... [3] https://www.forbes.com/sites/amitchowdhry/2017/10/31/faceboo... [4] https://www.theverge.com/2020/8/5/21354805/google-email-audi... [5] https://gimletmedia.com/shows/reply-all/z3hlwr
As to facts, I am not a security researcher myself, so I linked to articles when I encountered such a vehement rejection of my personal experience.
If you are calling me out in what I observed, then you are saying I am delusional or lying.
Google is changing their policies and the News app behavior, so I don’t know whether the experiment I witnessed is reproducible anymore. but I am reasonably sure that they would choose to stop showing relevant content as obviously but keep mining data, as it ultimately aligned with their business model.
> A private conversation with a friend about how I’d run out of data led to an ad about cheap 20 GB data plans
> Suddenly I was being told [sic] mid-semester courses at various universities
I absolutely belive Facebook can find system information like data caps, or can read notifications (as they explicitly ask for this to auto-fill SMS-based 2FA logins). As far as being in the same location as your buddy you took a trip with, that's a lack of imagination on the advertisers part - you get ads to return to Japan the same way you get ads for the vacuum you just. bought. As far as the writer possibly going back to school? I'd say many writers enjoy writing - so many, in fact, that prices have been depressed for decades. I'd assume many writers have to return to school and change careers.
Is it possible Facebook is listening? I won't dismiss it without at least reading the article. But the linked article reads like the author believes people are unique and, while they are, they're also far more predicatable than we like to pretend.