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0 pointshombre_fatal5y ago0 comments

It's clear this is one of your hobby horses. Every comment thread here is encumbered with you pointing out that you wouldn't like it if async were the default, fair enough. In fact, you don't seem to like the idea in general.

ctrl-f "sanxiyn" yields 28 instances, most of them restating in every subtree the same point about how you think threads > async.

Since I think most of us tend to read the comments section top to bottom, it seems ideal to limit your opinion to a couple comments and then put your effort into making those comments a good rundown of your position. It would certainly be more interesting to read and consider.

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sanxiyn5y ago· 1 in thread

You may want to contribute something concrete. I did learn some new advantages of async over threading from replies, besides tired C10K. Yes, async is useful for C10K. No, I am not solving C10K problem.

1. If you use async in single thread mode, you can save thread synchronization.

2. async works better for idle connections and slow connections, even when the absolute number of connections is not large.

3. async task is easier to cancel than thread.

I still won't use async since thread synchronization hasn't been slow for me, thread cancellation hasn't been problematic for me, and I use nginx to handle idle connections and slow connections, but it's useful to know in case I need.

yazaddaruvala5y ago

I work at a company where I do routinely need to handle C10K problems.

I also routinely interview candidates that want to work at my company. We typically downlevel or turn away candidates who do not have experience solving C10K problems (unless they can appropriately fake that experience).

Even though you may not need to solve C10K problems, (like in any education) it is typically very useful for engineers to think about and attempt solving artificial C10K problems to better educate themselves for when they need to solve those problems.

Meanwhile, if you're the CTO of a company and truly know your business will not require C10K ever in its life, and you know this is the wrong time to educate yourself and your employees, then yes you're correct that async is the wrong abstraction for you right now. Frankly in that case I'd argue Rust may also be the wrong abstraction for right now.

ldng5y ago

He's multi-threading ! (Sorry could not help myself :-D)

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse