If the world can agree on Wayland then desktops can agree on some dbus interfaces for doing stuff like screenshots, screencasts, and automation.
Wayland is a shiny new thing and lots of people are writing compositors since it's suddenly possible for people to write them in a way that you simply couldn't with X11. The ecosystem will eventually mature but I think it would be a mistake to recreate the Xorg monoculture with wlroots. People seem to see the value of multiple browser implementations agreeing on standard but not display servers.
Even with a relatively monolithic and "opinionated" protocol such as X11 it's not uncommon to encounter applications that don't play very nicely with alternative paradigms (because they expect a tray to be available, or to be able to place floating windows anywhere they want for instance). Still, overall with a few hacks here and there it works mostly very well. Basically I know that we're 2nd class citizens within the unix desktop world but at least the X11 model gives us enough of preemption to get things working mostly correctly.
From what I see of Wayland I'm very concerned in the long run. Not being able to just beat a window into submission X-style seems like it would create a world of troubles.
And because tiling environment are fairly niche I don't expect the ecosystem to organically evolve solutions to all of these problems.
And if you think "well just stop using tiling WMs and use whatever else is using you weirdo" please do note that these issues are also often the same that are encountered by people with disabilities who need to rig their UIs in certain ways to make them usable. Also you'll have to pry my tiling WM from my cold dead hands, you heathen.
I think in the long run you’ll actually be quite happy with Wayland for your use-case since Wayland removes a lot of the weird things that Windows can do without the help of the (tiling) compositor. A tiling compositor actually has far far more power to beat windows into submission than an Xorg based WM ever could. Surfaces can’t move, steal focus, put popups anywhere without the compositor having a say and, potentially, just saying no.
And GNOME has removed support for xembed tray icons in favor AppIndicator which is just a generic dbus interface which a tiling WM can actually sanely implement.
>[...] a modular basis for Sway and other Wayland compositors to build upon
I was curious to see what that looked like so I went on the github and the first sentence on the README is:
>Pluggable, composable, unopinionated modules for building a Wayland compositor; or about 50,000 lines of code you were going to write anyway.
My jaw literally dropped when I read this. It seemed so wild that I actually cloned the repository and ran sloccount myself to check if there was a catch (there isn't, master is at 53k lines). My DWM is 3k lines and it's fully featured as far as I'm concerned.
I realize that it just pushes a lot of that functionality (and code) into X but at least it separates the concerns, my WM doesn't ship with half of the X11 source code as a hard dependency. Also X11 has been battle tested for literally decades by now, it's not a fast moving project (well, arguably it's quite the opposite, hence the very existence of this discussion).
I haven't looked very deeply at Wayland so I won't say that they're doing it wrong, maybe I'm just missing an important aspect, but the more I learn about it the more it feels like they've thrown the baby out with the bath water.
X11 can be hugely hacky at times and some of it is seriously outdated at the conceptual level, but it also does many things amazingly well, arguably better than any other mainstream desktop environment out there. It's an incredibly flexible, if a bit idiosyncratic system. Wayland seems to fix some of its flaws by introducing a brand new system that comes with its own set of drawbacks.
It's 12 years old
Since I have no desire to lose functionality or work around issues I will revisit the situation either when every major issue is resolved or within 1 year of major apps like Firefox not working on X even with a a user contributed build.
I would be shocked if this was before 2030.
except when they aren't - I had a firefox bug for a couple years where the browser showing a notification would completely hang it for at least 15-20 seconds
