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0 pointslern_too_spel5y ago0 comments

This is a correct statement, which I have proven to you before. What's more, your earlier quibble about anonymizing the data doesn't even negate the statements I have made. Apple always sends your location to Apple, while Google and Amazon do not if you don't want them to.

Just as you did then, you continue to ignore the even more egregious practice of not only tracking everything you install but tying it to your identity.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24585353

Due to people downvoting my comments to the point that I cannot reply, I will explain why askafriend is wrong right here (though I already explained why they are wrong in my GP post, which they also ignored in their response to that post). Disabling Apple Maps from getting your location does not stop Apple from getting your location. When any app gets your location on iOS, Apple also gets your location. This is explained clearly in the link contained in this comment, which askafriend ignored. Both Amazon and Google allow you to get your location without telling anybody.

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zepto5y ago

Even if it were true that Apple always sends a location home, which it is not, if it is anonymous, by definition it is not your location.

But that’s the least of it:

The text you quote in you your linked comment nowhere states that your location is sent to Apple every time it is requested.

That’s not a quibble. It’s much more serious

You wrote comment so you must know that what you just linked doesn’t support your actual claim, so it creates the impression you are doing this to be intentionally misleading.

lern_too_spelOP5y ago

> if it is anonymous, by definition it is not your location.

That's a really wacky contortion. Whose location is it then?

> nowhere states that your location is sent to Apple every time it is requested.

You're right. It's worse than that. I pointed out in that post that Apple periodically gets your location even if no app requests it. Apple also says that you consent to having your location collected every time another app requests it, so even if it is not true now (which you have not been able to show and which would mean they wouldn't need such a scary consent, so I highly doubt it), it can be true tomorrow.

The actually privacy-respecting Android devices from Amazon and Google do not suffer from this issue. Nor do they require you to tell anybody if you install an app on your device, tied to your identity, which you have once again ignored.

zepto5y ago

1. Whose location is this: 38.0826966°, -122.0144075°?

2. “so even if it is not true now”

This is you admitting that you actually don’t know that they are doing what you said they were doing.

You actually have no idea what Apple is collecting. You are just speculating based on a legal disclaimer about what they could be doing.

3. “it can be true tomorrow.”

Again you admit that you know that it may not be true.

Asserting something to be true, when you know that you really don’t know whether it is true, is called lying.

You lied when you made the claim earlier in the thread, and you doubled down on that lie by asserting that it was not false, when you were challenged about the truth of your statement.

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askafriend5y ago

Wrong.

Go into Settings -> Privacy -> Location Services -> Maps and toggle the setting to "Never".

The full set of options are:

* Never

* Ask Next Time

* While Using the App

* While Using the App or Widgets

and there is also a toggle to turn off Precise Location so that apps only get approximate location.

Go nuts with the options.

I just tried it and I can use the Maps app just fine with location services set to "Never".

Picking some narrow definition that fits your point isn't going to convince anyone of your grand statement. It just comes off as disingenuous.

lern_too_spelOP5y ago

Disabling Apple Maps from getting your location does not stop Apple from getting your location. When any app gets your location on iOS, Apple also gets your location. Apple even gets your location if no app requests your location. This is explained clearly in the link contained in comment you replied to. Both Amazon and Google allow you to get your location without telling anybody.

askafriend5y ago

Apple doesn't not get _your_ location without an app requesting it.

They periodically send the location of nearby cell-towers and wifi hotspots (all public information) back to a crowdsourced database. _Your_ identity isn't associated with any of it. Apple doesn't know who you are or where your phone is. They do not store GPS coordinates. A single cell tower is nowhere near accurate enough to determine the location of the phone, etc etc.

Google/Android do this too: https://qz.com/1131515/google-collects-android-users-locatio...

You can also entirely disable location services if you're uncomfortable with this and that'd stop it.

You're weaponizing people's ignorance and the complexity of the technical details.

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zepto5y ago

Even if it were true that Apple always sends a location home, which it is not, if it is anonymous, by definition it is not your location.

But that’s the least of it:

The text you quote in you your linked comment nowhere states that your location is sent to Apple every time it is requested.

That’s not a quibble. It’s much more serious

You wrote comment so you must know that what you just linked doesn’t support your actual claim, so it creates the impression you are doing this to be intentionally misleading.

lern_too_spelOP5y ago

> if it is anonymous, by definition it is not your location.

That's a really wacky contortion. Whose location is it then?

> nowhere states that your location is sent to Apple every time it is requested.

zepto5y ago

1. Whose location is this: 38.0826966°, -122.0144075°?

2. “so even if it is not true now”

This is you admitting that you actually don’t know that they are doing what you said they were doing.

You actually have no idea what Apple is collecting. You are just speculating based on a legal disclaimer about what they could be doing.

3. “it can be true tomorrow.”

Again you admit that you know that it may not be true.

Asserting something to be true, when you know that you really don’t know whether it is true, is called lying.

You lied when you made the claim earlier in the thread, and you doubled down on that lie by asserting that it was not false, when you were challenged about the truth of your statement.

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askafriend5y ago

Wrong.

Go into Settings -> Privacy -> Location Services -> Maps and toggle the setting to "Never".

The full set of options are:

* Never

* Ask Next Time

* While Using the App

* While Using the App or Widgets

and there is also a toggle to turn off Precise Location so that apps only get approximate location.

Go nuts with the options.

I just tried it and I can use the Maps app just fine with location services set to "Never".

Picking some narrow definition that fits your point isn't going to convince anyone of your grand statement. It just comes off as disingenuous.

lern_too_spelOP5y ago

askafriend5y ago

Apple doesn't not get _your_ location without an app requesting it.

Google/Android do this too: https://qz.com/1131515/google-collects-android-users-locatio...

You can also entirely disable location services if you're uncomfortable with this and that'd stop it.

You're weaponizing people's ignorance and the complexity of the technical details.

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