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0 pointsiso12105y ago0 comments

There's stuff about voting specifics I think, what specifically are you thinking of?

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Article 4, section 2 `The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.` but that is not what's important: 1. Why do you say the constitution has nothing to do with citizens or non-citizens when some articles are about them and their rights ? 2. Why do you disagree that the preamble establishes that the document is from and about the people of the united states (and doesn't apply to non-US people/citizens) ?

iso1210OP5y ago

Becuase much of the document is there to limit the powers of the government. It doesn't grant rights to people, it acknowleges that people have those rights whether the constitution exists or not, and then proceeds to grant rights to the government

The preamble is who authored the constitution

Article 1 is all about how congress works

Article 2 about the president

Aritcle 3 about the courts

Article 4 about the states

Article 5 about the constitution

Article 6 about which laws are important

The Bill of rights further limits the power of government

Nothing specifically is about the people. The clause you state limits the powers of the state to take rights away from people.

The Constitution does not grant rights to people - because people (all people, globally) have all the rights by default. It does grant rights to government to do certain things, and it specifically limits the power of government to take away rights from people.

eropple5y ago

It is by no means settled that "the people of the United States" is explicitly and specifically citizenry and not aliens currently in the country for clauses not so specifying "citizens".

johnchristopher5y ago

Ah, I understand now. Thanks. A quick Google search returns accounts of many debates about it (I should have mentioned I am not a US citizen, nor am I living in the US. I usually do, my bad).

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johnchristopher5y ago

Thanks.

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iso1210OP5y ago

The preamble is who authored the constitution

Article 1 is all about how congress works

Article 2 about the president

Aritcle 3 about the courts

Article 4 about the states

Article 5 about the constitution

Article 6 about which laws are important

The Bill of rights further limits the power of government

Nothing specifically is about the people. The clause you state limits the powers of the state to take rights away from people.

eropple5y ago

It is by no means settled that "the people of the United States" is explicitly and specifically citizenry and not aliens currently in the country for clauses not so specifying "citizens".

johnchristopher5y ago

Ah, I understand now. Thanks. A quick Google search returns accounts of many debates about it (I should have mentioned I am not a US citizen, nor am I living in the US. I usually do, my bad).

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johnchristopher5y ago

Thanks.

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