I can't imagine what could go wrong here.
It seems like the American way to me! /s
You also don’t have to be gentle with the tenants stuff. You just throw it out on the curb.
Edit: I usually don’t comment on downvotes. But why is a factually correct comment being downvoted? I was a landlord, this is exactly the process in my state.
After that one eviction , the next time my rental properties became empty, I started getting rid of the properties. They weren’t worth the trouble.
Facts aren’t always nice. That doesn’t mean they aren’t facts.
Money is never “personal” to me. Once the real estate crash happened and my tenants started leaving, I did strategic defaults. I actually let one tenant stay at one of my properties for months without paying rent. I knew I was going to walk away from the underwater property anyway. I told them they could stay until the bank kicks them out. I told them I was going to let it go in foreclosure. They were fine with it. They had a place to stay for months, saved money and left before the bank evicted them. No eviction on their record.
Edit: it seems to be endemic to this post, anyone care to reply why I am incorrect or why they disagree?
Luckily, I found a remote job at Big Tech. But I dreaded thinking I might have to go through the hassle of moving pre-Covid.
I hate to get meta. But I really haven’t seen anything this weird in the years I’ve been posting here. Easily verifiable facts with no opinions being added getting downvoted and no one disagreeing with me.
You're being downvoted because (as is common knowledge) this is definitely not true for many (and I would wager most, if not nearly all) states.
Choosing the three largest states.
It is the process in
California
https://civil.lasd.org/CivilProcess/cwig19.aspx?1
New York
https://nycourts.gov/CourtHelp/Homes/beingEvicted.shtml
Texas
https://www.buildium.com/laws/texas-eviction-laws/
And a few other states.
Florida:
https://www.managecentralfloridaproperty.com/blog-eviction-p...
GA:
https://www.citywiderpm.com/eviction-process-in-ga
Alabama:
http://www.cloudwillis.com/2020/09/02/whats-next-for-evictio...
Tennessee:
https://www.omnirealty.net/tennessee-eviction-process/more-4...
Kentucky
https://kycir.org/2020/03/16/courts-may-be-closed-but-some-e...
Illinois
https://www.paynelawchicago.com/eviction-faqs/
Ohio:
https://www.dannlaw.com/understanding-ohio-sheriff-sale-evic...
Wisconsin:
https://www.danesheriff.com/Divisions/Support-Services/Evict...
Mississippi:
A lot of people on this site are cruel and callous.
My statements are
A) at least in my state, the police are there monitoring the actual eviction either way.
B) you don’t hire professional movers who are careful with the tenants stuff. No one does. There is no increased liability from using this service over getting day laborers.
Silver lining: you can get paid to move to another place if you game this correctly.
How is living at a property without paying for it any different than walking out of Walmart without paying for bread?
Staying at a place without paying rent is a form of direct theft. The non-paying-tenant is stealing use of the property without payment. It's somewhat normalized, but that doesn't make it ok or something anyone needs to tolerate.
It just seems comically short sighted. The most idiotic temporary punt of 2020.
It varies by state but evicting someone is not the "just show up and kick out the tenant with threat of violence" process that many comments seem to be operating under the assumption that it is. You might be able to get away with that once or twice but (in the US) even the most shady of slumlord make a profit on a timeline longer than that approach is tenable.
When a landlord wants to evict a tenant who hasn't been paying rent, it's not uncommon for the landlord to actually pay the tenant cash to leave! This is so the landlord doesn't need to wait months with no rent income while spending significant time going to court, etc[1].
In much of the country it likely takes several months. Each step in the multi-step process generally has lots of loopholes, gotchas and potentially weeks of waiting.
It’s a win/win for everyone.
The tenant won’t have an eviction on their record making it harder to rent somewhere else, they can move their own stuff out without the risk of it being damaged, they have cash in hand to stay somewhere else temporarily like a weekly stay hotel [1], and/or they could put their stuff in storage.
I should have been willing to pay up to two to three months mortgage for a cash for keys deal. They weren’t paying anyway, I could have saved the aggravation and they wouldn’t have trashed the place.
[1] all weekly hotels aren’t bad. I stayed in one with my wife and son for months after my lease was up and we were waiting for our house to be built.
It's a lot easier to just leave when the semester is almost over, you find out your roommate was maybe pocketing your rent, and the landlord shows up and says "I don't want to rent to singles any more. I've got a family moving in on Monday." That one had ripple effects in my life for years even with the highly undesirable safety net of moving in with family on short notice.
I also know how much damage a bad tenant can do to a property -- graffiti, smoke damage, pet stains -- on top of not paying rent.
I can see why people get pretty heated about tenants' rights, but I've also seen how badly both sides of the transaction can behave. Sometimes eviction is the best course of action for both parties.
The difference is that failing to pay the rent isn't a crime.
Furthermore, according to the article
> The CDC has ordered a moratorium on evictions amid COVID-19 — making it illegal for landlords to force out tenants who can't afford rent during the pandemic
Which makes a certain number of evictions illegal at first place.
I guess I am arguing against some type of narrative that I don’t know about.
Landlords usually provide little value compared to what they ask for and for a lot of them, it's essentially passive income, an investment if you want, but one that is basic survival for others. The US should not be having a homelessness crisis. We have more empty places than homeless.
The same way I personally believe Nestle or anyone else should not be trying to commodify drinking water beyond the "utility" grade.
If you want an expanded look at this line of reasoning, I can recommend Thought Slime: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2EWQ4v9wbA
Evictions become much more difficult, maybe even illegal.
What happens to people who want to rent apartments?
In Europe such debt collectors are notorious for very direct intimidation. But people at least still call them gangs instead of startups.
Edit: Does someone care to share how the above statement is factually incorrect?
It’s really not even worth the civil penalties. The tenants can stay on your property longer and even when you do evict them, lawyers love suing landlords on a contingency basis.
I've always insisted that the USA doesn't really exist. Because no country so fucked up could possibly command so much power and influence in the world.
Some day I hope to prove my theory by earning enough money to buy a boat and then sailing due west from Ireland until I reach the east coast of Russia.
(And has Fix television optioned this for reality TV yet?)
So my only knowledge of this part of UK law comes from watching this garbage TV, but what amazes me is how much freedom the officers seem to have with respect to how strict their enforcement actions are. In some cases they only ask for a small amount of the debt and a payment plan to make up the rest, but if the debtor's uncooperative or a bit of a dick, the officers are going to start towing cars and carrying out TVs.
Yeah, about that, how the f*ck is that legal?! How can the government outsource law enforcement to private companies? Corruption?
It feels like the RoboCop of the 80's where OCP owned the Detroit Police Force and were carying out evictions.
I don't understand how this could be better than the police other than the timing? This is going to end terribly, just some John Doe showing up to peoples homes?
https://www.npr.org/2018/08/28/642597968/for-450-this-japane...
You want something even weirder?
There's also a service where you can hire somewhere to apologise for you/your company's fuck ups. I actually had a roommate that ran such a business. His clients will even issue him official name cards and an email address so he looks like a real employee, which they'll promptly burn once the case is over. Then they get to say that the guy that caused the issue has been fired and everythings all good now. Amazing guy, extremely resourceful, probably would've been running a successful start up if he ever found a way into SV.
https://www.tokyoweekender.com/2018/11/never-say-youre-sorry...
Just the a facet of the Japanese work culture. They respect their bosses and upper management so much so that I’m sure the worker feels guilty or shameful when leaving.
> Civvl is owned by OnQall, a catchall platform for hiring gig workers.
2: Takes advantage of desperate people with "gig economy" jobs? Check!
3: Describes itself as "The Uber or Air B'n'B of <something>"? Check!
I hated them already. Even before I found out what they did!
Of course, it's a big leap from being willing to screw over strangers for a few bucks to being willing to throw them out of their homes on to the street, but I've got a feeling some would sadistically enjoy the transition. As long as it paid enough.
Honestly it seems to me like something out of a crappy, dystopian sci-fi B movie from the 90s. With everything else we've seen this year, though, I'm not even that surprised. People being horrible is normalized, and most of my outrage has been depleted. It's just expected now.
If you evict people legally - at least in my state - you have to schedule a 2 hour window with the police and they are present supervising during the entire process.
Also, the eviction process required at least 5 people to be present to actual clean the unit out depending on the size of the house/apartment.
The company is doing nothing differently except putting hiring day laborers online. Home Depot wasn’t liable when the guy I hired picked up a crew from the parking lot. We waited for someone from the police department to show up - as legally required - and started the cleanup process.
It is up to the landlord to follow the law.
The implied expectation of class / race / ethnic / ... loyalty is fundamentally flawed, though. I'm friends with people of many groups who are unlike me, and conversely, there are many people in my demographic whom I dislike. Not all [insert race][insert socioeconomic class][insert religion][insert ethnicity][insert career] people are the same, and we don't want segregation.
This is a particularly nasty cross-class alliance, but at the core, we WANT cross-class alliances.
> Hey, it puts food on the table, and my kids are hungry. And it keeps the debt collector at bay.
I wonder when someone will start a retail mercenary business...
Edit to add: To quote what someone on HN said: the whole gig economy platform is basically like having day labourers hanging out outside your local DIY store until a pick-up truck shows up and tells a few of them to hop in, but this time, it's all happening online!
To clarify: I am a proud American, but am frustrated with how distorted life has become to allow business to supersede seemingly almost everything.
Edit: I'd really like to hear what people think will happen when landlords don't have income for 9+ months. Or what they expect to happen when the moratorium ends and people have 9 months back rent. Just what, exactly, do people expect the outcome here to be?