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0 pointsefiecho5y ago0 comments

> The people who keep complaining about it seem more and more like children who just refuse to learn something new and better because they've already stumbled through all the holes it fills.

Systemd apologists always seems to think that anyone not completely in love with systemd, is just refusing to learn something new. Please stop with the stupidity, people have real reasons to hate that shit.

I had no problem with switching to WireGuard, after learning about it, because this is so much better in both use and design than OpenVPN that I have used for 20 years. I had no problem with learning about systemd either, but that is just badly designed software to me.

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kreetx5y ago· 8 in thread

For those not in the know, what's wrong with systemd's design?

unionpivo5y ago

For me:

Systemd is good init replacement, ok ntp replacement, so-so logging deamon replacement , and shitty DNS resolver replacement.

I like the init part, i could do without everything else.

But the thing I hate the most about it is that if you question any part of it like DNS, you are labeled as a systemd hater.

raziel2p5y ago

Just disable the parts you don't like on your system. I disable resolved everywhere I can and don't feel the need to go complaining about it. Where are you being labeled a systemd hater? Possibly it's more tone of voice than what you're complaining about.

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crazy_hombre5y ago

> I like the init part, i could do without everything else.

Then, do exactly that? None of the components you're complaining about are mandatory (except for journald, but you can easily forward log messages to a regular syslog daemon).

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kreetx5y ago

I actually thought that systemd is the init part.. Regarding DNS, is the systemd resolver just not advanced/flexible enough? I.e as a desktop user I can't complain about anything, but I don't configure it much either.

fsflover5y ago

There were hundreds of comments about it on HN. One typical complain is it's not implemented according to the Unix philosophy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_way#Do_One_Thing_and_Do_I...

JdeBP5y ago

There's also a perennial lack of understanding of the computer science.

* https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23057364

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raziel2p5y ago

Which isn't even correct because systemd consists of many individual parts that do their thing and are replacable. But because they all share the "systemd-*" naming pattern people think they're the same piece of software.

Would be funny if people made the same complaint about the various GNU core utils because those are all installed from the same package on most (all?) distros.

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kreetx5y ago

Sure, but that's like saying my coffee machine also makes latte and hot chocolate. I guess what I'm asking is: do any of these taste bad, and how? Perhaps the parent had a few of these on his/her mind that could have been listed.

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kreetx5y ago· 8 in thread

For those not in the know, what's wrong with systemd's design?

unionpivo5y ago

For me:

Systemd is good init replacement, ok ntp replacement, so-so logging deamon replacement , and shitty DNS resolver replacement.

I like the init part, i could do without everything else.

But the thing I hate the most about it is that if you question any part of it like DNS, you are labeled as a systemd hater.

raziel2p5y ago

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crazy_hombre5y ago

> I like the init part, i could do without everything else.

Then, do exactly that? None of the components you're complaining about are mandatory (except for journald, but you can easily forward log messages to a regular syslog daemon).

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kreetx5y ago

fsflover5y ago

There were hundreds of comments about it on HN. One typical complain is it's not implemented according to the Unix philosophy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_way#Do_One_Thing_and_Do_I...

JdeBP5y ago

There's also a perennial lack of understanding of the computer science.

* https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23057364

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raziel2p5y ago

Would be funny if people made the same complaint about the various GNU core utils because those are all installed from the same package on most (all?) distros.

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kreetx5y ago

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