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0 pointsjessaustin5y ago0 comments

This undermines some of the claimed benefits. A bunch of little Fukushima Daiichi reactors in the same location wouldn't have fared any better than the actual Fukushima Daiichi reactor.

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jabl5y ago· 7 in thread

In this particular case, a power plant with these nuscale reactors would probably have survived a Fukushima type accident. One effect of being small is that the reactors are designed to be passively cooled after shutdown, using convection instead of pumped flow. So there is no need for emergency diesel generators to keep the coolant pumps running.

hinkley5y ago

What's the radius around a reactor where a critical core can trigger fission in the next reactor over?

jabl5y ago

You'd have to place both cores within the same reactor pressure vessel, which isn't possible.

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rmtech5y ago

In practice, 0.

jessaustinOP5y ago

Sure, it's safer for reactors to tolerate flooding, if indeed these reactors actually do tolerate flooding. Definitely that would be a better design in flood/tsunami-prone areas. No design (from history, especially no reactor design) is perfect. A set of smaller reactors that were not co-located would be more tolerant of site-specific vulnerabilities in their design.

MurMan5y ago

> ... if indeed these reactors actually do tolerate flooding

The reactor modules are partially immersed in a pond, the ultimate heat sink. Cooling is passive, i.e., no cooling pumps, and does not require electrical power.

s1artibartfast5y ago

>A set of smaller reactors that were not co-located would be more tolerant of site-specific vulnerabilities in their design

That depends on what risks you are trying to mitigate. IF you are talking about site specific natural disasters and freak occurrences damaging a site. Then spreading them out increases risk of failure.

If you are worried about power loss after a site destroys a site, then colocation is worse. Of the two, damage to a site is the more pressing concern.

hinkley5y ago

I think you're screwed either way.

The odds that a concentrated site has an event are much higher with colocation. But the changes of having an event at multiple locations are higher if they're spread out.

Some things that I believe would matter for colocation would be:

- chance of cascading failures

- economies of scale/safety in numbers (1 large team vs many small)

- plant-to-home efficiency (n fewer reactors due to smaller transmission losses)

garmaine5y ago

Uh, there are a bunch of reactors at Fukushima. It’s in the name: “daiichi” means “complex-1”, there is also a “daini”, etc.

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jabl5y ago· 7 in thread

hinkley5y ago

What's the radius around a reactor where a critical core can trigger fission in the next reactor over?

jabl5y ago

You'd have to place both cores within the same reactor pressure vessel, which isn't possible.

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rmtech5y ago

In practice, 0.

jessaustinOP5y ago

MurMan5y ago

> ... if indeed these reactors actually do tolerate flooding

The reactor modules are partially immersed in a pond, the ultimate heat sink. Cooling is passive, i.e., no cooling pumps, and does not require electrical power.

s1artibartfast5y ago

>A set of smaller reactors that were not co-located would be more tolerant of site-specific vulnerabilities in their design

If you are worried about power loss after a site destroys a site, then colocation is worse. Of the two, damage to a site is the more pressing concern.

hinkley5y ago

I think you're screwed either way.

The odds that a concentrated site has an event are much higher with colocation. But the changes of having an event at multiple locations are higher if they're spread out.

Some things that I believe would matter for colocation would be:

- chance of cascading failures

- economies of scale/safety in numbers (1 large team vs many small)

- plant-to-home efficiency (n fewer reactors due to smaller transmission losses)

garmaine5y ago

Uh, there are a bunch of reactors at Fukushima. It’s in the name: “daiichi” means “complex-1”, there is also a “daini”, etc.

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