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0 pointsmikece5y ago0 comments

A habit I carried over from using KeePassXC is that I don't use a browser extension. Call it paranoia but I don't want the browser process to have the ability to reach into my password manager. What I do is pin the Bitwarden tab open and just copy & paste where needed. For the desktop app it would be awesome if it had an auto-type feature like KeePassXC (something that mystifies coworkers who see that in action for the first time, even remotely). Even though my employer has a corporate LastPass account for shared production passwords I insist on using KeePassXC for non-shared credentials. I've told those who need to be notified and there is general indifference what password manager I use for non-shared credentials (AWS login, GitLab credentials, storing SSH keys, etc) as long as it's secure.

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selykg5y ago

You're losing out on certain types of phishing protections by doing this.

You're also potentially opening yourself up to any apps/tools that are keeping an eye on your clipboard if you're copying and pasting. Auto-type might help with that, but I also wouldn't hold my breath for such a feature coming.

TonyTrapp5y ago

And at the same time you win by not falling victim of "oops, there is a bug in our browser add-on that accidentally leaks arbitrary login data to websites", as it has happened in the past. Leaking all my credentials certainly sounds more concerning to me than leaking the credentials to a single page.

john-shaffer5y ago

KeePassXC asks for permission to share each credential with the browser, with a "Remember" checkbox. You can have convenience for your unimportant logins while keeping your sensitive credentials fully secure.

selykg5y ago

Eh.. I'm going to go a different route.

Compromising everything is easier, it means you have to change the password for everything and know it was compromised.

If only SOME stuff is compromised then you don't know what was compromised so you end up having to change everything anyway.

I mean, that's at least my approach. I'd rather know I needed to keep an eye on everything rather than some things. At least then I know I can take appropriate precautions.

AnIdiotOnTheNet5y ago

If you are infected with a clipboard logger chances are it is also a keyboard logger. Frankly, at that point you're unlikely to be saved by a browser extension anyway.

Latty5y ago

I'm not sure I follow. Browser extensions aren't simulating keyboard strokes, so they absolutely would save you in that case.

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Dylan168075y ago

That depends on how many horrible ideas make their way from phone to desktop.

mikeceOP5y ago

That is the one thing that worries me about iOS (okay: the BIGGEST concern, not the ONLY concern) now that's it has been shown that TikTok and LinkedIn (apps not on my phone) have been shown to be copying the contents of the clipboard. I had not thought of using a browser plugin to avoid clipboard scavengers on non-mobile OSes: I'll have to give that some thought now.

vbezhenar5y ago

iOS have standard API for password managers. There's no reason not to use it.

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therealmarv5y ago

And you are gaining that many passwords are not shared with the browser. I rely on in browser password storage (which you can also encrypt e.g. in Chrome) for frequently accessed sites.

I think the separation of concerns outweighs the KeepassXC<->Browser integration part.

If your computer is compromised (meaning occasional copy&paste is not secure) you have WAY more problems than only Keepass and phishing.

voxl5y ago

Auto type is much worse, never use an auto type feature, it can easily fall prey to insertion in hidden input fields.

Latty5y ago

KeePassXC has a thing where it asks you before it will give the browser the password the first time for a given URL. I don't know if you can force it to always prompt you, but that would seem a better solution—as others have pointed out, copy/paste and even auto-type opens you up to more attacks.

delroth5y ago

Browser extensions have the benefit of being more resilient against phishing (since they can perform origin checks), which I would definitely recommend for most users.

vbezhenar5y ago

I'm doing similar thing with KeePass. While there are browser extensions to work with KeePass, I decided to not use those. I'm using Ctrl+B, Ctrl+V for user name and I'm using Ctrl+V which sends keystrokes into browser to fill password. Actually most of websites remember my login information for a long time, so this is not a problem at all. And I like to keep some sense of control over my private data.

Latty5y ago

As pointed out elsewhere in this thread, there is a danger here that you have to manually verify the origin of the page you are on, which makes you far more vulnerable to phishing attacks, which are common and can be very sophisticated (things like pages that look like normal content but change to a fake Google log in page when you minimise the page, so when you come back, it is there waiting).

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selykg5y ago

You're losing out on certain types of phishing protections by doing this.

TonyTrapp5y ago

john-shaffer5y ago

selykg5y ago

Eh.. I'm going to go a different route.

Compromising everything is easier, it means you have to change the password for everything and know it was compromised.

If only SOME stuff is compromised then you don't know what was compromised so you end up having to change everything anyway.

I mean, that's at least my approach. I'd rather know I needed to keep an eye on everything rather than some things. At least then I know I can take appropriate precautions.

AnIdiotOnTheNet5y ago

If you are infected with a clipboard logger chances are it is also a keyboard logger. Frankly, at that point you're unlikely to be saved by a browser extension anyway.

Latty5y ago

I'm not sure I follow. Browser extensions aren't simulating keyboard strokes, so they absolutely would save you in that case.

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Dylan168075y ago

That depends on how many horrible ideas make their way from phone to desktop.

mikeceOP5y ago

vbezhenar5y ago

iOS have standard API for password managers. There's no reason not to use it.

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therealmarv5y ago

And you are gaining that many passwords are not shared with the browser. I rely on in browser password storage (which you can also encrypt e.g. in Chrome) for frequently accessed sites.

I think the separation of concerns outweighs the KeepassXC<->Browser integration part.

If your computer is compromised (meaning occasional copy&paste is not secure) you have WAY more problems than only Keepass and phishing.

voxl5y ago

Auto type is much worse, never use an auto type feature, it can easily fall prey to insertion in hidden input fields.

Latty5y ago

delroth5y ago

Browser extensions have the benefit of being more resilient against phishing (since they can perform origin checks), which I would definitely recommend for most users.

vbezhenar5y ago

Latty5y ago

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