undefined | Better HN

0 pointspjmlp5y ago0 comments

Naturally it can, but it will always be an half baked experience, which is why languages like Python and Ruby are still miles away to replicate Common Lisp and Smalltalk development experience.

I rather prefer C++ and Java than any of those "I don't need IDE" languages.

I have been using IDE based languages since I became a Borland customer around 1991, and while XEmacs allowed me to survive without IDEs to the point that I still remember most of my way around ELisp, I don't miss those days.

0 comments

2 comments · 1 top-level

bshanks5y ago· 1 in thread

If you were designing a programming language with IDE tooling in mind, what are the things that Common Lisp and Smalltalk do to better assist IDEs than Python/Ruby?

pjmlpOP5y ago

Anders explains it better than me,

"Anders Hejlsberg on Modern Compiler Construction"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSdV1M7n4gQ

Basically ability to see the language AST at all time, do time checking with broken code, incremental compilation, REPL and IDE editing experience is fused together.

Here is another short examples,

"7 minutes of Pharo Smalltalk for Rubyists"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOuZyOKa91o

"MountainWest RubyConf 2014 - But Really, You Should Learn Smalltalk"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGaKZBr0ga4

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse