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0 pointsajuc5y ago0 comments

I like the league system in sc2, it allows you to see progress and to get to know other people's style (because you meet the same players several times in a quick succession). People build narratives around that (I remember that guy I lost vs him last time and now I had my revange).

If somebody won against you with a particularly dirty strategy you can get back at him and you won't be fooled the next time.

It's better than dota system where you're most likely never going to play vs the same people again (or at least it feels like that).

Also the whole 5v5 game that lasts for 1 hour format is inherently very toxic - most of the time you know you lost after 10 minutes and yet you can't disconnect and have to keep playing for the next 30-50 minutes while everybody blames everybody else on your team.

In sc2 if you know you lost after 5 minutes it's discrespectful to continue playing :)

0 pointsajuc5y ago0 comments

If somebody won against you with a particularly dirty strategy you can get back at him and you won't be fooled the next time.

It's better than dota system where you're most likely never going to play vs the same people again (or at least it feels like that).

In sc2 if you know you lost after 5 minutes it's discrespectful to continue playing :)

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de_watcher5y ago· 2 in thread

Oh, I love those guys who "know you lost after 10 minutes" in Dota...

ajucOP5y ago

So there's 10% chance I'm wrong. That's 10% chance of losing some mmr vs 90% chance of losing 30 minutes of my life. I don't have much time to play so in sc2 I would just go to the next game.

Sadly in a team game you can't make that choice because disconnecting too much will prevent you from playing all the fun modes (and will put you into a low priority queue where you play with people who constantly insult everybody or kill their own allies).

That's the root cause of all the toxicity in dota.

Shacklz5y ago

I've played Dota for way more hours than I want to admit, and unless you're playing on the highest of levels (Immortal) where people really have a very strong feeling for the win-conditions that they have and when it becomes very hard to reach them, I call BS on your statement. There are very strong reasons why pro players almost never call it GG before at least one rax is down, and often wait to do so for at least one last hail mary fight (depends a bit on the patch though).

The chance that the enemy throws a fight or makes other mistakes that opens up new win conditions (or sometimes that simply one guy in the other team tilts and throws) is just too high in Dota in order to be able to call it quits after 10 minutes.

One of the main reasons for the toxicity in Dota in my opinion is that people don't understand that there are 10 variables in the field, but they can only control one of them. Don't even bother trying to influence the other 9 (apart from positive feedback/encouragement/communication to the team), it's a waste of time and only contributes to the toxicity.

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