OK, "forever" is hyperbole - it was probably about 5 seconds. But it was enough of an annoyance for me to figure out how to install a deb packaged version. And every user having to wait an extra 5 seconds every time they open an app aggregates to a lot more time than Canonical saves maintaining packages.
That doesn't sit right with me, so my next OS upgrade will be Mint or pure Debian. I've been with Ubuntu since Dapper Drake, and I'd like to thank Canonical for making great distros all that time. But I'm not going to follow you down the snap-only path, time for me to move on.
For the longest time you couldn't dist-upgrade it, at all. The functionality wasn't there. When their web servers got hacked, they cleaned them, and got hacked again.
From a Debian user's perspective it is unclear why these small distros can't just be a Debian derivative or a Fedora spin. It's not scalable that every small distro invents their own infrastructure.
Like, I ain't crazy about what's happening with Mint and all of their hacks -- trust status: eradicated -- but I certainty get why they exist as a distro.
I can see that Mint could be nice though. On a desktop, running hardware a few years old.
ArchLinux NOT Manjaro
Debian NOT Ubuntu etc
And so on, the 'originals' work always better in the long run.
Except that normal people can actually install Manjaro and it doesn't make you use AUR for pretty basic things. Except that Ubuntu actually doesn't shit itself almost every time you add a 3rd party package/repo and comes with reasonable defaults. Also, have you used Pop OS?
Your statement is quite simply untrue.
I'm using debian testing for more than 15 years and it never shit itself for a 3rd party repo.
Debian comes with whathever the original software developers set as the default sans the wallpaper. For sensible default you can bug the software developer in question, not debian.
I was impressed because usually when I install Arch Linux I forget to boot the flash drive with UEFI enabled so I get stuck because I get errors during bootloader installation. I also love to do pointless things like install Arch Linux (not the iso) on a 32GB flash drive.
And when 'normal' people try to fix a problem with a rolling distro then they have a problem.
>Except that Ubuntu actually doesn't shit itself
As if that's a problem in Debian, or are you talking about snap's?
>Also, have you used Pop OS
No thanks, using OpenSuse Tumbleweed, FreeBSD, Debian and CentOS is perfectly fine for me.
If someone is debating just setup rasp with headless ssh and have at it.
> so my next OS upgrade will be Mint or pure Debian
I've moved one machine to debian stable and haven't looked back. There are a few teething issues like /usr/sbin not being in the default path, some sudo issues, the installer isn't as grandma friendly, but it's rock solid and doesn't nag me about updating 137 packages of things I've never heard of needing an update.
For me, the stability of it working (well) as it has for the last few decades is worth missing a few of the latest updates.
