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0 pointsentropicdrifter5y ago0 comments

If you need this kind of packaging but want to retain freedom, just use an alternative solution like flatpak, which sandboxes from the get-go and lets you control what parts of your system the application can access

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DoofusOfDeath5y ago· 7 in thread

> just use an alternative solution like flatpak

Saying "just use an alternative" seems overly dismissive of the complications that entails.

IIUC, the only options for that are (a) abandon Ubuntu, or (b) actively circumvent Ubuntu's software distribution infrastructure, reminiscent of dealing with Windows 10 forced updates.

IMHO this somewhat erodes Ubuntu's value proposition.

zentiggr5y ago

I have a laptop that I'm planning on rebuilding from a failed NTFS/Win10 system to Linux something.

Now I know it's not going to be Ubuntu or anything else derived from Canonical.

DoofusOfDeath5y ago

> Now I know it's not going to be Ubuntu or anything else derived from Canonical.

Why avoid Ubuntu derivates like Mint or Pop!_OS, though?

They're doing the heavy lifting of fighting Canonical on this issue. Maybe using one of those distros instead of vanilla Ubuntu actually strengthens the pressure that Canonical feels on this topic.

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Endeavourist5y ago

Why not EndeavourOS? It's based on Arch Linux, with minimal numbers of external packages; quite unlike Manjaro actually. You can just treat it as a standard Arch install, and even use the ISO to boot with wi-fi drivers and all and install Arch plainly, without the non-wifi and other regrets. EndeavourOS is pretty great; I personally use it as a live-ISO (XFCE environment) and just install Arch from within the live EndeavourOS booted iso. Just throwing it out there.

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lmm5y ago

I'd seriously recommend looking at FreeBSD instead. Everything Linux seems to be going down this we-know-better-than-you path.

entropicdrifterOP5y ago

I agree that this erodes Ubuntu's value proposition. I run Manjaro with KDE, personally.

xet75y ago

AFAIK Ubuntu does not force reboot like Windows 10.

DoofusOfDeath5y ago

I believe you're correct. I'm not arguing that Ubuntu is now as bad as Windows 10; just that it's a move in that direction.

ncr1005y ago

Neat - "permissions that are defined by the maintainer of the Flatpak and can be controlled (added or removed) by users on their system" - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flatpak

I'm wondering now if Wikipedia would be appropriate to host a linux sandboxed app packaging comparison chart in the form of https://linuxhint.com/snap_vs_flatpak_vs_appimage/ - and it would be extensible ...since Wikipedia.

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9 comments · 2 top-level

DoofusOfDeath5y ago· 7 in thread

> just use an alternative solution like flatpak

Saying "just use an alternative" seems overly dismissive of the complications that entails.

IIUC, the only options for that are (a) abandon Ubuntu, or (b) actively circumvent Ubuntu's software distribution infrastructure, reminiscent of dealing with Windows 10 forced updates.

IMHO this somewhat erodes Ubuntu's value proposition.

zentiggr5y ago

I have a laptop that I'm planning on rebuilding from a failed NTFS/Win10 system to Linux something.

Now I know it's not going to be Ubuntu or anything else derived from Canonical.

DoofusOfDeath5y ago

> Now I know it's not going to be Ubuntu or anything else derived from Canonical.

Why avoid Ubuntu derivates like Mint or Pop!_OS, though?

They're doing the heavy lifting of fighting Canonical on this issue. Maybe using one of those distros instead of vanilla Ubuntu actually strengthens the pressure that Canonical feels on this topic.

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Endeavourist5y ago

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lmm5y ago

I'd seriously recommend looking at FreeBSD instead. Everything Linux seems to be going down this we-know-better-than-you path.

entropicdrifterOP5y ago

I agree that this erodes Ubuntu's value proposition. I run Manjaro with KDE, personally.

xet75y ago

AFAIK Ubuntu does not force reboot like Windows 10.

DoofusOfDeath5y ago

I believe you're correct. I'm not arguing that Ubuntu is now as bad as Windows 10; just that it's a move in that direction.

ncr1005y ago

Neat - "permissions that are defined by the maintainer of the Flatpak and can be controlled (added or removed) by users on their system" - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flatpak

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