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0 pointsmistermann5y ago0 comments

>> There is propaganda about vaccines being harmless

> There may be somewhere, but it's not coming from the “medical establishment” or the government, both of which acknowledge that there are both the common minor and less common severe harms from vaccines.

https://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/autism.html

"Vaccines Do Not Cause Autism"

The CDC does not know if vaccines cause autism, they only know (assuming they are telling us everything they know) that a causative relationship has not found.

This is just one example of vaccine related propaganda that is asserted by authoritative bodies.

EDIT: Moving a conversation from the abstract to the concrete seems to be a reliable way to invoke this behaviour in many individuals, even in a thread devoted to the very topic. Surely there must be a name for this phenomenon, it would be interesting to read studies on it.

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dragonwriter5y ago

> The CDC does not know if vaccines cause autism, they only know (assuming they are telling us everything they know) that a causative relationship has not found.

No, they also no that the controlled-for-other-factors correlation that would indicate the possibility of causation has not been found outside of research that has been established as deliberately fraudulent.

And they know that there has been extensive research into the question because of the popularity of the fraudulent research cited for the opposite conclusion.

If there is a mechanism by which vaccines cause autism in some specific cases, they must also prevent autism that would otherwise manifest in other cases enough to mask the effect in aggregate.

In any case, the evidence-based rejection that vaccines cause a specific harm is not equivalent to propaganda that they are harmless.

The existence of the compensation program is an explicit acknowledgement that they are not harmless, as well as an easier route to compensation for games than exists for most drugs.

mistermannOP5y ago

Let's try and unmuddy the waters here a bit....

"Vaccines Do Not Cause Autism"

Are you saying that this assertion is unequivocally known to be true? No uncertainty or possibility of future conflicting discoveries whatsoever?

> In any case, the evidence-based rejection that vaccines cause a specific harm is not equivalent to propaganda that they are harmless. The existence of the compensation program is an explicit acknowledgement that they are not harmless, as well as an easier route to compensation for games than exists for most drugs.

Scope expansion is an effective form of rhetoric (which some people classify as a form of propaganda in itself). Not saying this was intentional on your part, I tend to believe it is simply an innate/instinctual ability (System 1, in Thinking Fast and Slow parlance) of the subconscious. I am surely guilty of the same thing at times.

Also: how did you come to know what everyone working for the CDC knows?

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dragonwriter5y ago

> The CDC does not know if vaccines cause autism, they only know (assuming they are telling us everything they know) that a causative relationship has not found.

And they know that there has been extensive research into the question because of the popularity of the fraudulent research cited for the opposite conclusion.

If there is a mechanism by which vaccines cause autism in some specific cases, they must also prevent autism that would otherwise manifest in other cases enough to mask the effect in aggregate.

In any case, the evidence-based rejection that vaccines cause a specific harm is not equivalent to propaganda that they are harmless.

The existence of the compensation program is an explicit acknowledgement that they are not harmless, as well as an easier route to compensation for games than exists for most drugs.

mistermannOP5y ago

Let's try and unmuddy the waters here a bit....

"Vaccines Do Not Cause Autism"

Are you saying that this assertion is unequivocally known to be true? No uncertainty or possibility of future conflicting discoveries whatsoever?

Also: how did you come to know what everyone working for the CDC knows?

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