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0 pointstankenmate5y ago0 comments

You can get constant spin rate but variable energy storage / release by adjusting the moment of inertia, e.g. if you have movable weights within the rotor you can move these inboard or outboard, moving it inboard uses energy while increasing the spin rate, and moving it outboard releases energy while slowing the rate. Using this in combination with "conventional" direct axle energy input / release means you can store or release energy from the system as a whole while also keeping a constant rate (within the bounds of the total energy storage capacity of the system).

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neltnerb5y ago

Is this used in practice? It sounds like a rather substantial engineering challenging considering how much energy the wheel is storing. I remember MIT had one of these for sparking the old tokomak, they had to plan for it to fall off, destroy several buildings without killing anyone, and then land in the river... and that was a solid wheel that did nothing but spin.

But isn't the point that it provides inertia towards stabilizing the frequency? I don't think it matters whether you can vary the energy stored if it's just acting as a, well, wheel... if the goal is to give you a bit more time to bring more generation online or take it offline then it seems like a simple system would be fine. It's not storing power, so it can only ever slow the drift to give more flexibility.

tankenmateOP5y ago

As you say, I suspect it probably isn't used much in grid scale applications. The device image in the article would imply that it is just a simple damper, i.e. the angular momentum acts to reduce any frequency change, up or down. It doesn't look like it does any storage, but then the article is somewhat content free.

mrow845y ago

What you are describing is essentially a centrifugal governor: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centrifugal_governor, I think?

hinkley5y ago

You've seen what your washing machine does when you get a blanket off-balance in it.

Imagine if one of the motors on the flywheel stopped responding to inputs.

Windmills had governors which were horizontal wheels with two or more pendulums attached to the outer edge. The angular velocity is trying to lift the pendulum and gravity is pushing it back down, so velocity increases much slower than momentum.

The only problem you need to worry about there is seized bearings or foreign bodies unbalancing the load.

There are other devices that replace gravity with springs. You might be able to do the same with permanent magnets. But I believe each of these relies on the device being able to put up with larger strains than the pendulum.

sleepydog5y ago

It's kind of off topic, but your description reminded me of the executioner's sword "Terminus Est" from the Book of the New Sun series. It had a liquid metal (mercury I think) core that would collect at the base when held upright, making it easy to hold. When it was swung, the liquid would flow to the tip, putting more weight at the point of contact.

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