If you were actually interested in dialog, I would go to the effort of gathering evidence of members of the GOP trashing him before he attained power, as well as multiple prominent republicans who today are aghast at what he's done and is continuing to do.
I'm against political parties (Washington warned us way back when), and I associate with the party that you clearly don't belong to. My association is made under duress, in that I have to pick one in order for my voice to be heard.
I can have civil and adult conversations about the merits and failures of both parties and of individuals within them.
I'm guessing that might be a challenge for you so I won't bother trying. Let me know otherwise.
This is a third rail I'll never touch here again, but I'd like to point out a couple of things for closure.
* What has been happening in the last 3+ years is not normal, and much of the population is terrified by what is happening and what is likely to happen. I am one of those people
* Politics operates in two realms: policy and theater. I've normally no interest in the latter but it has taken center stage.
* United we stand, and divided we fall. I believe that there are active efforts to promote division and my hope is for unity. And division that occurred here was counter to my goals (but I should have known better).
* Many of my fellow citizens also believe that the GOP has become a cult, centered around the topic of discussion. Most people think that cults are not a good thing.
I could go on and on, but I won't because it will fall on deaf ears.
Thank you for helping to keep this forum as wonderful as it is, and once more, I'm sorry to have cause any problems.
edit: the "deaf years" was about those that I was trying to have a discussion.
I was with you up until this ass-hattery.
Experience has taught me that any moderate / conservative opinion is going to get downvoted through the floor no matter how well you back it up. It's easier to just burn karma with short comments.
> I would go to the effort of gathering evidence of members of the GOP trashing him before he attained power
Yes. It's well known. Established politicians despise Trump. No contest there.
> I associate with the party that you clearly don't belong to
I identify as a "not-Democrat". It's true that I tend to vote Republican lately, but there is plenty that they do that I don't agree with. It's just that Democrats seem to do a more effective job of making me not want to vote for them. I may just go back to not voting in future elections.
Trump's main sin, besides being a member of the wrong party, is that he is the most transparent President in history. He has no qualms airing his dirty laundry and it drives people nuts.
But back to my original comment, the majority of the media is objectively left-leaning, which means they will see anything and everything Trump does in a negative light.
You can still glean useful information from their reporting, but I don't think anyone can pretend networks and individual reporters don't come pre-equipped with a heavy dose of bias.
Fox leans heavily right, no one disputes that. Somehow pointing out other outlets lean left has become controversial.
Your dialog to that point came across as that of a Trump loyalist. I've learned that there's no point in engaging there, but it looks like you want to talk further, so here we go.
> Trump's main sin, besides being a member of the wrong party, is that he is the most transparent President in history. He has no qualms airing his dirty laundry and it drives people nuts.
Wow. I'll give this a try...
* Trump had 3 marriages and cheated in all of them (contrary to the "family values) the GOP espouses.
* Trump was involved with organized crime, including money laundering (and likely is to this date).
* Trump is a pathological liar
* Trump is a racist (actually ok in the GOP playbook)
* Trump is a failed businessman
* Trump is a sexist and sexual predator (he makes Bill Clinton look like a boy scout (which he most certainly is not))
* Trump is a fake Christian
* Trump is ill-informed, near illiterate, and unintelligent (but is effectively an idiot savant at playing the media like a fiddle).
* Trump didn't actually want to become president, it was a grift to start his own TrumpTV. He's still pursing that and will be shaping OAN into his personal platform.
I could go on and on, but you'll either deny or disregard these points.
To show you that I can acknowledge the failures from "my side", I'll posit that Hillary Clinton was certainly far from perfect:
* She wanted the office as a mark of achievement more than to serve the country
* She is a corporatist
* She is a war hawk
* She is the typical "finger in the wind" politician regarding her convictions.
She also had a literal industry devoted to demonizing her, but that's a different story.
I take in information based on its merit, not to bolster my ideology. I'm still waiting to hear one good thing about Trump. Your point about "transparency" is puzzling. He doesn't air his dirty laundry, he says wild shit that keeps the news cycle in turmoil.
Tell me about all of his dirty laundry that he has willingly aired, please.
