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40 pointscorrupt_measure5y ago19 comments

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I live in Utah. A common joke working at tech companies is that we don't need backups, because we can just hop over to the NSA Data Center and have them throw it all onto a hard drive for us.

ngngngng5y ago

Another Utahn here. Fascinating that they codenamed it "bumblehive". The Utah territory was named "Deseret" when the Mormon settlers arrived. Deseret is believed to mean Honeybee in an ancient language and was chosen to represent industriousness.

briefcomment5y ago

The beehive is also Utah's state emblem.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Utah_state_symbols

hossbeast5y ago

Believed by whom?

ohples5y ago

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finnh5y ago

Members of the LDS church

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AndrewBissell5y ago

Never ceases to amaze me how this was normalized and accepted. The general public instantly flipped from "that's just a conspiracy theory," to "yeah, they collect everything, but I've got nothing to hide!" and "oh well, what can you do about it?"

jeffbee5y ago

Well they obviously don't "collect everything" because this one tiny datacenter wont hold "everything". This datacenter is 60MW in capacity, or something like 1-5% as large as Google's aggregate capacity, where Google itself is also a small fraction of global datacenter capacity. We can also safely assume that, like all other government datacenters, the PUE at this facility is terrible, and I would feel safe in further assuming that storage efficiency at this agency is not state of the art. Considering all these factors, I think this facility is between 1000 and 1000000 times too small to contain "everything".

AndrewBissell5y ago

Obviously they're probably not recording all the packets from when I watch TWIN PEAKS on Amazon Prime, though I wouldn't be surprised if they track viewing habits somehow. "Everything" is meant to mean all phone calls, texts, emails, contact lists, and probably posts to certain social media sites and forums. Anything potentially useful in building a behavioral profile of a target based on past behavior.

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LargoLasskhyfv5y ago

Not even with nearline, or offline storage with M-DISCs organized in cassette/magazine-systems, handled by robots?

Which are located right around the corner, btw.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M-DISC

Yes, yes, i know, conspiracy theory, also bankrupt!

But funny coincidence, isn't it? :-)

parliament325y ago

Eventually you realize the general public opinion is almost always the path of least resistance. Whatever explanation/justification takes the least amount of effort is what they'll go with.

minikites5y ago

"If it was wrong, someone would be doing something about it."

AndrewBissell5y ago

Oh yes, I vividly remember debating the program on Facebook with some Obama fans who insisted, "he's a good person, so he must have seen something to convince him this is necessary!"

supernova87a5y ago

This odd thread sparks my memory on another story about data centers that I came across -- how railroad history determines where data centers tend to be located in the US:

https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2015/11/how-r...

I wonder if this US Govt data center ties into / depends on the Union Pacific trunk(?) fiber lines?

conbandit5y ago

For a broader view on this topic, I recommend "A Prehistory of the Cloud"

supernova87a5y ago

Thanks for that suggestion! Can be downloaded free from here, which is great: https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/book/7288688

Der_Einzige5y ago

I wonder about how much of my information is contained here. Maybe I can ask them for my info if I lose it and use them as a free backup service? /Sarcasm

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Trasmatta5y ago

I live in Utah. A common joke working at tech companies is that we don't need backups, because we can just hop over to the NSA Data Center and have them throw it all onto a hard drive for us.

ngngngng5y ago

briefcomment5y ago

The beehive is also Utah's state emblem.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Utah_state_symbols

hossbeast5y ago

Believed by whom?

ohples5y ago

This message brought to you by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.

finnh5y ago

Members of the LDS church

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AndrewBissell5y ago

jeffbee5y ago

AndrewBissell5y ago

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LargoLasskhyfv5y ago

Not even with nearline, or offline storage with M-DISCs organized in cassette/magazine-systems, handled by robots?

Which are located right around the corner, btw.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M-DISC

Yes, yes, i know, conspiracy theory, also bankrupt!

But funny coincidence, isn't it? :-)

parliament325y ago

Eventually you realize the general public opinion is almost always the path of least resistance. Whatever explanation/justification takes the least amount of effort is what they'll go with.

minikites5y ago

"If it was wrong, someone would be doing something about it."

AndrewBissell5y ago

Oh yes, I vividly remember debating the program on Facebook with some Obama fans who insisted, "he's a good person, so he must have seen something to convince him this is necessary!"

supernova87a5y ago

This odd thread sparks my memory on another story about data centers that I came across -- how railroad history determines where data centers tend to be located in the US:

https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2015/11/how-r...

I wonder if this US Govt data center ties into / depends on the Union Pacific trunk(?) fiber lines?

conbandit5y ago

For a broader view on this topic, I recommend "A Prehistory of the Cloud"

supernova87a5y ago

Thanks for that suggestion! Can be downloaded free from here, which is great: https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/book/7288688

Der_Einzige5y ago

I wonder about how much of my information is contained here. Maybe I can ask them for my info if I lose it and use them as a free backup service? /Sarcasm

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