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0 pointsdgellow5y ago0 comments

That doesn’t make any sense. An opinion cannot be hate speech, that’s a categorization error and not at all how hate speech works.

It’s the other way around: an expressed hateful opinion may be considered hate speech by the law or someone. And an opinion may be considered hateful. But the other way doesn’t make any sense.

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brodouevencode5y ago

I'm not so sure that's true. Consider:

"All <n-word>s need to go back to Africa." (clearly and overly hateful)

"All black people need to go back to Africa." (still hateful)

"All African-Americans need to go back to Africa." (All words are accepted, but the notion is still rather hateful)

No matter what words one uses it could be considered hate speech by today's definition. Disclaimer: I do not nor do I advocate using racial slurs, the stub in here was just to prove a point.

dgellowOP5y ago

An expressed opinion considered hateful can be “hate speech” (depending the legal/accepted definition), yes.

artificial5y ago

Can you please link to the hate speech definition that's being referring to?

brodouevencode5y ago

There's no "legal" definition of hate speech according to the US federal government, but the most accepted that I've found is "any form of expression through which speakers intend to vilify, humiliate, or incite hatred against a group or a class of persons".

See: https://repository.law.miami.edu/umlr/vol52/iss3/4/

trasz5y ago

How about a thought experiment: in "communist bandits", replace "communist" with derogatory name for some other nation or social group.

hangphyr5y ago

Another one: "I hate onions". Now, replace onions with a derogatory name for another group. We can't prohibit negative words on account they can be used to express negative opinions about other groups of humans.

In the case of communist bandits, it's a criticism of a political ideology, and in particular here one party. Criticism of political parties and ideologies is completely fine, even when expressing insults to them. Expressing threats of violence or other crimes isn't permitted or moral, but expressing dislike or disrespect is perfectly valid. Can anyone say they've never expressed disrespect to any ideology or political party in their life?

trasz5y ago

No, "communist bandits" obviously refers to a group of people, not ideology. Furthermore, while you could argue it's about some particular organisation, it's often being used to refer to chinese citizens in general.

catalogia5y ago

"Republican bandits."

Does that offend you?

cmdshiftf45y ago

All over social media, all day, every day, people accuse others derogatorily of being fascists. Both are political ideologies.

Would you be as happy to see fascism protected from negative commentary online, as you clearly would communism?

trasz5y ago

Is the word "fascism" used to refer to current citizens of a particular country, which don't have anything to do with the stuff we hate fascism for? Because the word "communism" is - the comments in question don't attack "communist ideology"; they are derogatory comments aimed at one particular nation.

artificial5y ago

Italy?

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brodouevencode5y ago

I'm not so sure that's true. Consider:

"All <n-word>s need to go back to Africa." (clearly and overly hateful)

"All black people need to go back to Africa." (still hateful)

"All African-Americans need to go back to Africa." (All words are accepted, but the notion is still rather hateful)

No matter what words one uses it could be considered hate speech by today's definition. Disclaimer: I do not nor do I advocate using racial slurs, the stub in here was just to prove a point.

dgellowOP5y ago

An expressed opinion considered hateful can be “hate speech” (depending the legal/accepted definition), yes.

artificial5y ago

Can you please link to the hate speech definition that's being referring to?

brodouevencode5y ago

See: https://repository.law.miami.edu/umlr/vol52/iss3/4/

trasz5y ago

How about a thought experiment: in "communist bandits", replace "communist" with derogatory name for some other nation or social group.

hangphyr5y ago

trasz5y ago

catalogia5y ago

"Republican bandits."

Does that offend you?

cmdshiftf45y ago

All over social media, all day, every day, people accuse others derogatorily of being fascists. Both are political ideologies.

Would you be as happy to see fascism protected from negative commentary online, as you clearly would communism?

trasz5y ago

artificial5y ago

Italy?

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse