Well, I use those terms (ByVal/Ref) and then say, one is a copy (byVal) and the other is a reference (pointer to you and me) to the thing.

So, pass small things ByVal (int, float), it's on the Stack.

Pass big things (Object) ByRef cause they're in the Heap.

Then I start saying pointer more than ByRef and the link is made.

Then on to ByRef/Pointer to how that then manipulate the shared data.

Once that basic is done, we refine/clarify around what Pointer really is, and also it's syntax.