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0 pointsapostacy5y ago0 comments

Meanwhile, Sweden never had shelter in place orders, and they did not fare worse than France or Ireland.

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According to EuroMOMO, Sweden's excess mortality rate this year is "high", France's is "low" and Ireland's is "no excess".

https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps/

henrikschroder5y ago

The map shows per-week z-score excess, not some kind of yearly total. What you said only applies to week 17.

During week 15 (Easter), Sweden had "very high" excess, Ireland had "low" excess, while UK, France, Spain, and Italy had "extremely high" excess.

apostacyOP5y ago

I believe far more people are going to die over the next few years from the economic collapse than the pandemic would have killed had we used the Swedish model.

For most readers of HN, this has just been like a vacation. Our investments have lost some value. We will have to lower our expectations for our next jobs. Maybe we can't buy a second car.

Most countries have burned down the village in order to save it.

asabjorn5y ago

Sweden is doing better than NYC without the catastrophic economic consequences NYC is experiencing https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/sweden...

rayiner5y ago

Sweden benefits from being very moderate in density compared to NYC. Stockholm is comparable in size and density to Washington, DC. The death rate in Stockholm is about 5 times higher than DC.

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nelaboras5y ago

But Swedish were self-isolating, companies allowing flexibility, all citizens have affordable access to great quality healthcarez etc. It's a functional country with high trust. The obligation to stay at home is not necessary when society and even economic actors respond reasonably.

jacobush5y ago

Yet, most sheltered. Because we were advised too. And almost everyone modified their behaviour.

willis9365y ago

What’s your metric? I can’t find a country doing worse than Sweden. Even the US has slowed its growth rate by a large amount more than Sweden. Just look at the plots, dude.

C1sc0cat5y ago

Apart from the deaths in care homes

2rsf5y ago

And especially among immigrants, that's a big "Apart" but still something that could have been done differently relatively easily if we only knew

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