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0 pointsgrishka5y ago0 comments

TIL. I thought this was just so that all apps are in one place for ease of access. When I first tried OS X in the form of hackintosh around 2009, most apps were already distributed in dmgs with "drag to install" so I just thought it's a very neat, Apple-ish way (ugh Windows install wizards) and assumed it's always been like that. Older PPC Macs were basically never really a thing where I'm from.

Now I remember seeing these weird long paths pointing to weird places with the word translocation in them — never really dug into the why. I've also seen apps ask to move themselves to /Applications when launched from ~/Downloads.

Anyway, with all these Gatekeeper changes, it's almost as if Apple doesn't want non-app-store apps at all.

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realusername5y ago

> Anyway, with all these Gatekeeper changes, it's almost as if Apple doesn't want non-app-store apps at all.

Of course that's their idea, The Mac Store has been a moderate failure, so now they are pushing people into it slowly more and more every release.

As Apple and Microsoft (with their Windows Store) have learned, if there's a real choice between an app store and a standard install, nobody will pick the app store. They cannot promote it naturally, they have to push it through by force.

grishkaOP5y ago

Well, then people have the choice of not updating because why would I if the only change that's noticeable brings more restrictions. I'm on Mojave and I don't really feel like I'm missing on anything. Both Mac OS and Windows are more or less feature-complete at this point.

Frondo5y ago

Heh, I actually prefer the app store version wherever I can download it, because I like not having to think about updates; I let the software updater do it. Is this an uncommon attitude?

realusername5y ago

Developers care a lot about updates, your average user does not. For them, an update means there's a chance the app isn't going to work like it used to be.

People went as far as disabling all windows updates manually.

Also as a second point, you can totally have a software updater without an app store.

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tonyedgecombe5y ago

I used to but then I had one app where the developer switched to a rental model but didn't let existing customers continue with the old model.

I don't have any particular problems with the rental model but in this case I had bought it on the basis of it not being that.

tumultco5y ago

Apps did start doing this before, definitely. I always felt they were arrogant in assuming they deserved a spot in my Applications folder. I should be able to put the app wherever I'd like. At the same time dmgs seem backwards-looking since disks were "old" technology so why use an image format for them? So I was personally against distributing my software this way, but Apple forced my hand with the Gatekeeper app translocation change.

Apple themselves ships some software, like the non-Mac App Store versions of Xcode, as xips (signed zips), but for some reason decided 3rd party developers cannot use these.

Apples recommendations are in the "Shipping your Signed Code" section of this tech note:

https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/technotes/tn2206...

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0 pointsgrishka5y ago0 comments

Anyway, with all these Gatekeeper changes, it's almost as if Apple doesn't want non-app-store apps at all.

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realusername5y ago

> Anyway, with all these Gatekeeper changes, it's almost as if Apple doesn't want non-app-store apps at all.

Of course that's their idea, The Mac Store has been a moderate failure, so now they are pushing people into it slowly more and more every release.

grishkaOP5y ago

Frondo5y ago

Heh, I actually prefer the app store version wherever I can download it, because I like not having to think about updates; I let the software updater do it. Is this an uncommon attitude?

realusername5y ago

Developers care a lot about updates, your average user does not. For them, an update means there's a chance the app isn't going to work like it used to be.

People went as far as disabling all windows updates manually.

Also as a second point, you can totally have a software updater without an app store.

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tonyedgecombe5y ago

I used to but then I had one app where the developer switched to a rental model but didn't let existing customers continue with the old model.

I don't have any particular problems with the rental model but in this case I had bought it on the basis of it not being that.

tumultco5y ago

Apple themselves ships some software, like the non-Mac App Store versions of Xcode, as xips (signed zips), but for some reason decided 3rd party developers cannot use these.

Apples recommendations are in the "Shipping your Signed Code" section of this tech note:

https://developer.apple.com/library/archive/technotes/tn2206...

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