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0 pointspj_mukh5y ago0 comments

"If the top speed is five miles per hour, so be it."

You are not really testing though. The whole point is to build a machine that can go the speed limit. You can test all you want at 5mph, but let me assure you, most of the real issues will show up when you go 45 in the real world.

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carapace5y ago

> The whole point is to build a machine that can go the speed limit.

Sure, eventually, when the machines and sensors and algorithms and so on are good enough. When the infrastructure can be rebuilt to accommodate them (e.g. Boring company tunnels for auto-trucking, sensors and comms in the roads and signage, &c.)

The rush to market is the whole problem. Not the ultimate concept.

I want a machine that can take my mother to her doctors appointment now that the dementia has gotten to the point where she shouldn't take the bus on her own anymore.

Let the experiences with the toy cars guide the incremental graceful adoption of faster machines.

> most of the real issues will show up when you go 45 in the real world.

Right! So don't go 45.

pj_mukhOP5y ago

Sorry you’re asking for a completely different concept. Asking for the infrastructure to change to adopt AV’s is a pipe dream. Never going to happen.

“ I want a machine that can take my mother to her doctors appointment now that the dementia has gotten to the point where she shouldn't take the bus on her own anymore.“

This meanwhile is already happening[1]. We’ve been testing on toy cars for 15 years. We’re not ready to remove the safety driver but we are ready for the road.

[1]https://www.theverge.com/2018/1/10/16874410/voyage-self-driv...

carapace5y ago

> you’re asking for a completely different concept.

Yes! Exactly! Robot-shaped cars that weigh multiple tons at travel at 45mph are a bad idea! It's too soon.

> Asking for the infrastructure to change to adopt AV’s is a pipe dream. Never going to happen.

Sure it will. There will be "smart dust" in the asphalt, etc.

> This meanwhile is already happening

Fantastic!

> We’ve been testing on toy cars for 15 years.

How about 30?

If my robots go out into the world and kill people I'm going to feel bad for making killer robots even if they look like cars, have people inside them, and everybody else is killing people with their cars.

Is that so goddamned crazy?

Don't make killer robots.

"Am I going crazy? Or is it the world around me?"

> We’re not ready to remove the safety driver but we are ready for the road.

That sounds wrong on the face of it to me, but let's grant it for the sake of argument.

Build yourself a city, populate it with people who have signed waivers, and use that as your test lab.

Self-driving Lark? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobility_scooter

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carapace5y ago

> The whole point is to build a machine that can go the speed limit.

The rush to market is the whole problem. Not the ultimate concept.

I want a machine that can take my mother to her doctors appointment now that the dementia has gotten to the point where she shouldn't take the bus on her own anymore.

Let the experiences with the toy cars guide the incremental graceful adoption of faster machines.

> most of the real issues will show up when you go 45 in the real world.

Right! So don't go 45.

pj_mukhOP5y ago

Sorry you’re asking for a completely different concept. Asking for the infrastructure to change to adopt AV’s is a pipe dream. Never going to happen.

“ I want a machine that can take my mother to her doctors appointment now that the dementia has gotten to the point where she shouldn't take the bus on her own anymore.“

This meanwhile is already happening[1]. We’ve been testing on toy cars for 15 years. We’re not ready to remove the safety driver but we are ready for the road.

[1]https://www.theverge.com/2018/1/10/16874410/voyage-self-driv...

carapace5y ago

> you’re asking for a completely different concept.

Yes! Exactly! Robot-shaped cars that weigh multiple tons at travel at 45mph are a bad idea! It's too soon.

> Asking for the infrastructure to change to adopt AV’s is a pipe dream. Never going to happen.

Sure it will. There will be "smart dust" in the asphalt, etc.

> This meanwhile is already happening

Fantastic!

> We’ve been testing on toy cars for 15 years.

How about 30?

Is that so goddamned crazy?

Don't make killer robots.

"Am I going crazy? Or is it the world around me?"

> We’re not ready to remove the safety driver but we are ready for the road.

That sounds wrong on the face of it to me, but let's grant it for the sake of argument.

Build yourself a city, populate it with people who have signed waivers, and use that as your test lab.

Self-driving Lark? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobility_scooter

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