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0 pointsbcrosby956y ago0 comments

Speaking of, I wish there were an "idiomatic code benchmarks game". Some of us want to compare language speed for common use cases vs trying to squeeze every last piece of performance from it.

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totalperspectiv6y ago· 5 in thread

Check out this: https://github.com/frol/completely-unscientific-benchmarks

tormeh6y ago

D, Nim and Crystal all do very well on all metrics. Author finds Rust pretty close but not as maintainable. Interesting that the top 3 (performance close to C++, but more maintainable) all are niche languages that haven't really broken into the mainstream.

corford6y ago

I really wish Intel or MS or someone would fund D so it could give Go and Rust a run for their money. It's as fast (or faster), expressive, powerful and, subjectively, easier to pick up and code in than Rust. It just needs some backers with muscle.

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systems6y ago

I strongly believe, that people should consider the ecosystem part of maintainability risk and claim

Rust have by far the better ecosystem compared to those 3

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marcosdumay6y ago

Rust won't get a maintainability prize for short programs with simple algorithms.

It's Haskell-like features only help on large and complex programs.

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igouy6y ago

— Expressiveness "keep in mind that this is a subjective metric based on the author's experience!"

— Maintenance Complexity "keep in mind that this is a subjective metric based on the author's experience!"

igouy6y ago

>> I wish there were an "idiomatic code benchmarks game"

Help make one:

— contribute programs that you consider to be "idiomatic"

https://salsa.debian.org/benchmarksgame-team/benchmarksgame/...

— use those measurement and web scripts to publish your own "common use cases" "idiomatic code" benchmarks game

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>> compare language speed for common use cases vs trying to squeeze every last piece of performance

— please be clear about why you wish to compare the speed of programs written as if speed did not matter

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??? What do you think is not "idiomatic" about programs such as:

https://benchmarksgame-team.pages.debian.net/benchmarksgame/...

cryptos6y ago

There is a lot more than the language/compiler what influences the results, but at least these benchmarks are closer to real world than solving math puzzles in micro benchmarks.

https://www.techempower.com/benchmarks/

UtherII6y ago

The problem would be to get a definition of idiomatic code.

Would it be fair to accept an optimization on a language and refuse it on another because it is not idiomatic ?

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9 comments · 4 top-level

totalperspectiv6y ago· 5 in thread

Check out this: https://github.com/frol/completely-unscientific-benchmarks

tormeh6y ago

corford6y ago

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systems6y ago

I strongly believe, that people should consider the ecosystem part of maintainability risk and claim

Rust have by far the better ecosystem compared to those 3

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marcosdumay6y ago

Rust won't get a maintainability prize for short programs with simple algorithms.

It's Haskell-like features only help on large and complex programs.

1 more reply

igouy6y ago

— Expressiveness "keep in mind that this is a subjective metric based on the author's experience!"

— Maintenance Complexity "keep in mind that this is a subjective metric based on the author's experience!"

igouy6y ago

>> I wish there were an "idiomatic code benchmarks game"

Help make one:

— contribute programs that you consider to be "idiomatic"

https://salsa.debian.org/benchmarksgame-team/benchmarksgame/...

— use those measurement and web scripts to publish your own "common use cases" "idiomatic code" benchmarks game

----

>> compare language speed for common use cases vs trying to squeeze every last piece of performance

— please be clear about why you wish to compare the speed of programs written as if speed did not matter

----

??? What do you think is not "idiomatic" about programs such as:

https://benchmarksgame-team.pages.debian.net/benchmarksgame/...

cryptos6y ago

There is a lot more than the language/compiler what influences the results, but at least these benchmarks are closer to real world than solving math puzzles in micro benchmarks.

https://www.techempower.com/benchmarks/

UtherII6y ago

The problem would be to get a definition of idiomatic code.

Would it be fair to accept an optimization on a language and refuse it on another because it is not idiomatic ?

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse