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0 pointsunishark6y ago0 comments

You mean if the govt could somehow assess quality? That would be nice if you have a good idea how to do that. But companies have two priorities: one is a high skill level and the other is lower pay.

If we simply removed country caps from the current system then it would be dominated by certain countries with the highest pay difference. The smartest scientist in Germany would be waiting in line behind hundreds of thousands of far-less-skilled programmers from developing countries willing to work for at-or-below market rates (in a hot market where salaries would otherwise be rising faster).

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what_ever6y ago

A lot of countries have moved towards points based system. It deals with your level of education, level of experience, salaries etc. That could be a good start. And docking points based on where they were born should not be part of that.

Also, smartest scientist will still get the priority via EB1 instead of lowly engineers who will get the EB3 category. This is already accounted for in the current system. so we are really talking about two lowly engineers in Germany vs India. Do you agree they should have to wait for same amount of years for employment based GC? How about two scientists from China and tiny country of Monaco?

unisharkOP6y ago

Even the smartest scientist would probably have better odds of getting in via the EB3 category than EB1.

Yes a points system is obviously better but can be manipulated, particularly in developing countries without consistent school quality. As soon as a process to get visas is created it becomes an adversarial game to beat the system. I wouldn't rate their degrees equal. India's "engineering" degrees, for example, in my view are more akin to associate's degrees in engineering technology or such. It's all multiple choice and cramming. Even if we ignore how easy such an approach is to cheat, it doesn't teach them useful skills anyway. So if they were really assessed accurately I wouldn't expect many from India to match graduates from Germany, apart from those who attend school in the west.

China has a lot more solid schools, at least in my area, though a lot of rampant cheating and everything else too.

what_ever6y ago

> China has a lot more solid schools, at least in my area, though a lot of rampant cheating and everything else too.

China also has probably 1000x schools, so even by law of averages, there would more scientists coming out from there compared to Monaco. And I would leave that to companies to figure out whether a candidate is actually good enough to be their employee or if they "cheated".

> Even the smartest scientist would probably have better odds of getting in via the EB3 category than EB1.

I don't understand the point. I explained that. Anyone in EB1 gets here before anyone on EB3.

About rest of your comment, I never said two bachelors degrees should be counted the same. Having a masters or PhD in a US university or having worked at a US based company should count much higher.

Anyway, it seems pointless saying anything more at this point since you seem to have a lot of issues with the points based system but you fail to see any issues with the current system. Have a nice day.

jandrese6y ago

Today the smartest scientist in India could be waiting behind hundreds of thousands of far-less-skilled programmers.

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what_ever6y ago

unisharkOP6y ago

Even the smartest scientist would probably have better odds of getting in via the EB3 category than EB1.

China has a lot more solid schools, at least in my area, though a lot of rampant cheating and everything else too.

what_ever6y ago

> China has a lot more solid schools, at least in my area, though a lot of rampant cheating and everything else too.

> Even the smartest scientist would probably have better odds of getting in via the EB3 category than EB1.

I don't understand the point. I explained that. Anyone in EB1 gets here before anyone on EB3.

About rest of your comment, I never said two bachelors degrees should be counted the same. Having a masters or PhD in a US university or having worked at a US based company should count much higher.

jandrese6y ago

Today the smartest scientist in India could be waiting behind hundreds of thousands of far-less-skilled programmers.

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse