undefined | Better HN

0 pointsCthulhu_6y ago0 comments

I don't think it would work to be honest; going by Dutch unions, they will make it so that everyone working in industry X will get the same compensation (or, compensation tiers based on e.g. experience and position). This won't work in the US because the same job will pay $200K in SF versus $50K elsewhere. The people in SF won't want to give up their cushy wage and conditions so that someone in a less fortunate area can earn more.

0 comments

10 comments · 3 top-level

gmueckl6y ago· 5 in thread

This is why German unions often negotiate for different geographic areas independently. This way, different costs of living are factored in.

lowdose6y ago

But the Netherlands is actually one big city so this wouldn't make much sense. The Netherland is as economically independent from Germany as Hong Kong is from China.

gmueckl6y ago

My point was merely that there are models for solutions for the problems the parent post saw for the USA. I did not want to claim that this works for the Netherlands, too.

pmiller26y ago

Interesting. Is that only to do with matters of compensation, or do other factors come into play?

gmueckl6y ago

They could negotiate completely independent contract for each region as far as I know, but in practice, the differences revolve mostly around pay structure. I'm not aware of any other significant regional differences.

cpach6y ago

It’s the same in my country (Sweden) AFAIK.

goatinaboat6y ago· 2 in thread

I don't think it would work to be honest; going by Dutch unions, they will make it so that everyone working in industry X will get the same compensation

People keep saying this as if it’s an inherent property of unions but it simply isn’t true and the counter example is Hollywood where everyone from the hottest star to the lowliest extra are all in the union.

pc866y ago

Acting/SAG is a pretty disingenuous example as everything is incredibly individualistic in that industry. Not to mention the fact that SAG doesn't negotiate individual contracts, just cast minimums. Not a single technical/profession union outside of Hollywood operates that way. Some will negotiate geographically but that's it.

dorfsmay6y ago

If hollywood can be special because their jobs and compensations are different, why couldn't the tech industry be different?

1 more reply

pmiller26y ago

Eh, it's not that hard to add a cost of living multiplier so that something that pays $50K in BFE Nowhere can also pay $200k in SF.

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse

0 comments

10 comments · 3 top-level

gmueckl6y ago· 5 in thread

This is why German unions often negotiate for different geographic areas independently. This way, different costs of living are factored in.

lowdose6y ago

But the Netherlands is actually one big city so this wouldn't make much sense. The Netherland is as economically independent from Germany as Hong Kong is from China.

gmueckl6y ago

My point was merely that there are models for solutions for the problems the parent post saw for the USA. I did not want to claim that this works for the Netherlands, too.

pmiller26y ago

Interesting. Is that only to do with matters of compensation, or do other factors come into play?

gmueckl6y ago

cpach6y ago

It’s the same in my country (Sweden) AFAIK.

goatinaboat6y ago· 2 in thread

I don't think it would work to be honest; going by Dutch unions, they will make it so that everyone working in industry X will get the same compensation

pc866y ago

dorfsmay6y ago

If hollywood can be special because their jobs and compensations are different, why couldn't the tech industry be different?

1 more reply

pmiller26y ago

Eh, it's not that hard to add a cost of living multiplier so that something that pays $50K in BFE Nowhere can also pay $200k in SF.

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse