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0 pointsBlueTemplar6y ago0 comments

Why do you find this stance ridiculous ?

Yes, one could say that the Web has "jumped the shark" sometimes after 1997 (took some years), remember the mess when Flash and Java applets were everywhere ? (WebAssembly might be more sleek, but the issue is likely to be the same...)

I guess that multimedia could be part of the Web, but support for basic features like audio/video search is (still!) sorely lacking... (Though I'm pretty sure that the capability has been here for more than a decade.)

With the ability to run arbitrary code comes the loss of a common standard, and therefore the inability to communicate, especially for machines - you might have noticed that you hardly see search engines pulling up results for supposedly "Web"Sites like Facebook or Discord or Twitter ?

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krapp6y ago

It's ridiculous because you're claiming that HTML is "the web", but that somehow the content that HTML marks up is "not the web."

I can guarantee that no one was looking at a Java applet or a Flash site in the 1990s and thinking "I don't know what this is, but it definitely isn't part of the World Wide Web."

>Yes, one could say that the Web has "jumped the shark" sometimes after 1997 (took some years), remember the mess when Flash and Java applets were everywhere ?

On the other hand, Flash allowed animators and game developers an outlet for creative expression and distribution and led to an explosion of content, and launch more than a few professional careers. And Java applets... existed.

At the very least, I think it's controversial to say the web jumped the shark at that point.

>you might have noticed that you hardly see search engines pulling up results for supposedly "Web"Sites like Facebook or Discord or Twitter ?

I do see those results in search engines. Visibility in a search engine is a result of SEO and those sites' indexing rules, it has nothing to do with whether or not a site is part of the web - if I can reach it in a browser, it's part of the web by definition.

BlueTemplarOP6y ago

Some examples of search results from Facebook / Discord / Twitter ? And on the same level as other pages, not in some separate field ?

Browsers can do a lot of things these days that are not part of the Web : display pdfs, ftp folders, rtsp streams...

The browser becoming an OS inside the OS is at the crux at the issue. (And the main reason is likely Google trying to wrest control of personal computing from Microsoft.)

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