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0 pointsseirl6y ago0 comments

It is the good kind of growth, the dematerialization of the economy is a major factor in the lower energy elasticity in developed countries...

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mrpopo6y ago

It's absolutely not obvious whether digital technologies reduce energy consumption globally.

E-mail reduced the amount of letters, but Amazon increased the amount of packages.

Over-the-air TV broadcasts consumed way less energy than FHD personalized YouTube streams.

Americans own more than 20 electronic products per household.

etc.

ckastner6y ago

What dematerialization? Facebook's entire business model is advertising, in other words: getting you to buy things. It used to be Google's and Amazon's entire business model, too, until they diversified into cloud services.

It's the exact opposite of dematerialization.

Edit: To clarify, I'm not at all against these things. On the contrary. My point is that among those people most vocal in demanding (sometimes radical) change from others, I frequently see a complete lack of self-reflection.

tonyedgecombe6y ago

It doesn't really matter whether the people calling for radical change are hypocrites or not. That has no material affect on whether there really is a need for radical change. It does make them rather annoying and gives those resistant to change something to criticise them over but it doesn't alter the facts of the situation.

ckastner6y ago

It affects the discussion of the situation and, by extension, the politics surrounding it, and thereby ultimately the one force that might actually effect the necessary change.

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mrpopo6y ago

It's absolutely not obvious whether digital technologies reduce energy consumption globally.

E-mail reduced the amount of letters, but Amazon increased the amount of packages.

Over-the-air TV broadcasts consumed way less energy than FHD personalized YouTube streams.

Americans own more than 20 electronic products per household.

etc.

ckastner6y ago

It's the exact opposite of dematerialization.

tonyedgecombe6y ago

ckastner6y ago

It affects the discussion of the situation and, by extension, the politics surrounding it, and thereby ultimately the one force that might actually effect the necessary change.

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