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0 pointsadrr6y ago0 comments

Elon belittles lidar saying it is doomed and will never work yet Waymo and Cruise will probably be operating self driving taxi fleets in California next year. Tesla deserves getting dumped on for those comments because they are no where near self driving.

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xiphias26y ago

Andrej Karpathy just started working on Tesla's software 2 years ago, before what Chris Lattner did was a mess (he wanted to just have 1 task that learns magically everything), Andrej had to start everything from scratch.

Waymo had a 20 year advantage, but Google lost many key people there in the meantime as Larry Page didn't want to launch partial self driving.

I think both approaches are great and I wouldn't want to choose between the 2, just be a happy user of the end result of the competition.

kayoone6y ago

> before what Chris Lattner did was a mess (he wanted to just have 1 task that learns magically everything), Andrej had to start everything from scratch

any source for that?

xiphias26y ago

Sorry, I can't find the source, I'm reading Elektrek all the time and often there are people in the comments section with knowledge about what happens inside Tesla.

jacquesm6y ago

> Larry Page didn't want to launch partial self driving

That's the responsible thing to do.

xiphias26y ago

If you look at self driving automation as a black box, sure.

But at the same time people understand that on a highway Tesla Autopilot is safe enough to be used on a long boring road, and dricers generally feel less tired (and can focus more on the harder parts of the road).

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heavenlyblue6y ago

It’s just that Google is a much larger target for negative PR response than any of the other companies.

navigatesol6y ago

Ah yes,the story of Tesla: everything yesterday was crap,but everything tomorrow will be awesome.

xiphias26y ago

Did you really follow how drivers reacted to the changes before/after Karpathy came there? People were extremely dissatisfied with the first versions of Autopilot 2 (as it was worse than Autopilot 1 when it appeared), but it improved a lot, and now it's definitely better.

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deboflo6y ago

I live in San Francisco. Every time I see Cruise vehicles, the driver has his hands on the steering wheel.

adrrOP6y ago

Cruise vehicles go thousands of miles without human intervention and they have a license to run their cars without a driver like Waymo.

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xiphias26y ago

Waymo had a 20 year advantage, but Google lost many key people there in the meantime as Larry Page didn't want to launch partial self driving.

I think both approaches are great and I wouldn't want to choose between the 2, just be a happy user of the end result of the competition.

kayoone6y ago

> before what Chris Lattner did was a mess (he wanted to just have 1 task that learns magically everything), Andrej had to start everything from scratch

any source for that?

xiphias26y ago

Sorry, I can't find the source, I'm reading Elektrek all the time and often there are people in the comments section with knowledge about what happens inside Tesla.

jacquesm6y ago

> Larry Page didn't want to launch partial self driving

That's the responsible thing to do.

xiphias26y ago

If you look at self driving automation as a black box, sure.

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heavenlyblue6y ago

It’s just that Google is a much larger target for negative PR response than any of the other companies.

navigatesol6y ago

Ah yes,the story of Tesla: everything yesterday was crap,but everything tomorrow will be awesome.

xiphias26y ago

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deboflo6y ago

I live in San Francisco. Every time I see Cruise vehicles, the driver has his hands on the steering wheel.

adrrOP6y ago

Cruise vehicles go thousands of miles without human intervention and they have a license to run their cars without a driver like Waymo.

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse