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0 pointsnraynaud6y ago0 comments

ICE, because it’s useless. There is a service for catching criminals it’s called the police. There is absolutely no need for a nazier one that would handle only one type of misdemeanors in the most brutal And devastating way they can do.

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newfriend6y ago· 2 in thread

There is obviously a current need for ICE. There are more than 10 million illegal aliens currently living in the US illegally, and this problem has been happening for decades. It's disingenuous to call this a misdemeanor when it's in regard to people who have no legal right to be in the United States. Immigration law is a federal issue, and local law enforcement is not setup to deal with these situations.

I agree with you though that it would be great if local police were enabled to find and deport all of the illegal aliens currently residing in the US illegally.

ceejayoz6y ago

> It's disingenuous to call this a misdemeanor when it's in regard to people who have no legal right to be in the United States.

Why? It is a misdemeanor.

You've got no legal right to park in a handicapped spot, either, but that doesn't make it a felony.

newfriend6y ago

Because there are no other misdemeanors where the penalty is deportation. You are knowingly likening it to minor infractions by legal residents as an attempt to frame it in a palatable manner.

The only reason to point it out as a misdemeanor is to make it seem like it is not a problem.

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solidsnack90006y ago

The need for ICE has to do with jurisdiction. Immigration and customs (ivory and stuff like that) are federal matters. A lot of federal stuff gets handled by federal police agencies, like the DEA and the ATF. The Secret Services investigates and disrupts counterfeiting and money laundering. The IRS has a small number of armed officers that perform arrests for very specific crimes.

The reason for this separation has to do with consistency and scope: legality of immigration, and illegality of counterfeiting, should be consistently the same from state to state. Cases involving these issues could happen in any state and are likely to involve more than one state at a time, whereas most police work usually involves only a small area. They also are not areas where the states have authority to set policy, so it could create difficult situation for police if there were a disagreement between their state and the federal government over an issue like income tax. These factors together seem to explain why we have so many federal police forces.

How would things be better if local police had authority to detain and deport people, or to investigate customs matters?

drak0n1c6y ago

Local police are often prevented by Sanctuary City policies from aiding the enforcement any form of immigration law - and they get away with that due to immigration being scoped as a federal policy. Unless there is an immigration omnibus bill or constitutional amendment, federal enforcement will continue to be necessary.

11112361123476y ago

ICE definitely doesn't only enforce just one type of misdemeanor. Some recent cases:

  - https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/police-officer-arrested-child-pornography-charges
  - https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/arms-trafficker-convicted-anti-aircraft-missiles-scheme-and-other-arms-offenses
  - https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/rwandan-man-sentenced-immigration-fraud-and-perjury-connection-1994-genocide
  - https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/operation-cookout-indictment-charges-39-defendants-heroin-and-fentanyl-trafficking
  - https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/former-fresno-resident-charged-illegally-brokering-sale-military-arms-foreign
  - https://www.ice.gov/news/releases/ice-hsi-investigation-leads-federal-indictment-alleging-scheme-avoid-payment-18

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