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0 pointsPavlovsCat6y ago0 comments

> I didn’t interpret Stallman’s comment to mean this at all.

It does though, just by leaving room for Minsky just thinking she might be "willing", "not coerced".

> As far as I am aware we don’t know where or when it allegedly happened

On that private island during an AI conference held by Epstein when Minsky was 73 and the girl 17.

Though AFAIK there isn't a claim Minsky did anything, just that the girl was "directed to have sex" with VIP, including Minsky. One person stated Minsky turned her down, and she AFAIK didn't claim Minsky even touched her.

But that "something happened" is the hypothetical scenario within which Stallman argued on that mailing list. It's not my "assumption" at all.

> Some of the details you are assuming about the victim being 17 or the encounter having occurred on a private island seem to have been pieced together in a highly speculative verge article or from internet commentators (if you have quality sources of information that report otherwise please share)

Why not just ask right away, instead of after me telling me about my assumptions and sources. The first thing I heard about this was a link to the mailing list, the rest from searches. I never even read the Verge article, no need. I know some articles falsely claim RMS defended Epstein, but that's also not from reading them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvin_Minsky#Allegation_of_ch...

> In 2016, Virginia Giuffre named Minsky as one of the people she was "directed to have sex" with on Jeffrey Epstein's private island while she was 17 years old [5 sources]. It is alleged to have happened in 2002, during an AI conference hosted by Epstein at his compound in the US Virgin Islands. [1 source]

See the sources in the footnotes of that article. If you disagree, don't just do it here, correct the WP article. I for one made sure I know what I'm talking about before I even started to do so. And Stallman isn't being silenced, either, he simply doesn't have a leg to stand on here.

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freetime26y ago

Those citations in the Wikipedia page reference a deposition given by the victim many years after the alleged crimes occurred. When asked where she went to have sex with Minsky she answers “I believe it was” Epstein’s private island. That is not a strong statement of fact. She is using language which implies there is a possibility it may have happened elsewhere.

When asked when it happened, she answers “I don’t know”. This is why I question whether she was really 17 at the time.

There is a flight record that shows Minsky and the victim were together on the same flight, when the victim was 17 years old. But there is nothing that links that flight as occurring at the same time that the victim was directed to have sex with Minksy. Given that the victim was employed by Epstein for years, and reports that she basically traveled everywhere with him at the time, it's entirely plausible that they were two separate events. The reporting that links that flight with the victim's deposition is entirely speculative.

This is my understanding of the available evidence. But it is entirely possible I am missing something. If you think so, please share.

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