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0 pointsdsego6y ago0 comments

It's silly to do a round trip to the server just to change some local UI state, right?

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manigandham6y ago· 3 in thread

Not really, this kind of thinking is exactly what led to the client-side JS framework mess.

Round trips are just fine. Browsers are smart, servers are fast, and HTML compresses well. The site you're reading right now (HN) requires a reload. Stackoverflow requires a reload. Neither are slow to use.

If your page is really that complicated, then I suggest Vue or Preact which are efficient and designed to progressively enhance pages instead of rebuilding everything in JS.

Nyandalized6y ago

Connectivity is not always available, and errors retrieving it may mean you have to re-enter everything. Being able to "navigate" the site without the dinosaur is a tremendous boon for end users. You wouldn't be able to send anything without a connection, but you could buffer it for an opportune moment.

Sites like HN and Stackoverflow have a vastly different audience than most bread-and-butter sites, and tackle different kind of issues.

manigandham6y ago

Most bread-and-butter sites are just fine as server-side rendered page. Large client-side frameworks reimplementing the browser and server functionality should be rare, when the situation actually calls for it.

If you really need a offline site then a simple service worker is all you need to cache the pages, not a big JS app.

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Roboprog6y ago

Compression over HTTPS can be problematic, as it makes the key easier to crack.

I would like to trade out AngularJS for Vue someday, though.

asark6y ago

In theory, yes. In practice, by the time you get your whole web-app game on, the full round trip is often at least as fast, and frequently faster.

cutler6y ago

Don't underestimate pjax/turbolinks as a first approach. This way you get to render on the server without refreshing the whole page. For most business websites this is more than enough to keep rendering snappy.

winrid6y ago

Depends on the app. In some cases it results in a much simpler and easier to maintain environment (ie, Larvel or Symphony will do this better than Angular...)

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