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0 pointscybersnowflake6y ago0 comments

I love how everybody is having a cow over a website where the rhetoric isn't really all that much worse than a 'mainstream' site like twitter. For example in twitter you can find guys who call for children to be fed into wood chippers because they wear Maga hats and hundreds/thousands of people including corporate accounts like Burger King cheering assaulting people. And they almost all receive absolutely no punishment. And not a single one of all the sensitive bearded men pouring their hearts out in righteous fury at 8chan here seem to care. And I'm pretty sure a ton of killers use twitter.

When I was a child I used to think the ideals of freedom of expression were ingrained in this society. But apparently all it takes is the MSM running a few hitpieces and the 'intellectuals' are all 'lol 1st Amendment technically applying to government means it is not only permitted but great that all censorship is now offloaded to megacorporate oligarchies! fuck free speech!'

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dijit6y ago

I'm not an 8chan user, in fact, I am not a fan of the chans.

I'm also not a fan of Twitter, and for similar underlying reasons.

On the chans it feels like everything is a joke of a joke, you're not 100% able to tell if someone is saying something intentionally stupid/rude to elicit a response. Coupled with the anonymous nature of the platform, and you can assume that it's one or two people trolling a thread and put it out of your mind. Because of that, you end up with the contra of mainstream opinion. And, yeah, it might have the ability to galvanise and individual (both for and against the rhetoric, because many people reject, powerfully, that kind of rhetoric and become champions of the other side).

I find the exact opposite is true of twitter. Instead of assuming it's one or two people who are trolling with the extreme of a mainstream opinion, it's -obviously- a mob, many people with verified badges are quick to jump on people for "wrongthink" and are exceedingly happy to extol their virtues and denounce the non-virtuous. Often they get so reinforced by their following that they become cancerous to the cause and have the same effect as the 4channers and 8channers (causing people to be galvanised for, and against their cause).

I see twitter and 4/8chan as two sides of the same coin, causing division in society.

have_faith6y ago

Not everything on the chans is a joke which is why they like to pretend that it is. It's basic obfuscation. Very often, a long running joke will pick up genuine ardent supporters and the original joke becomes lost or forgotten. It's a peculiar process to watch.

The chans relationship with social media like Twitter is like Agent Smith is to Neo, a balancing of the equation. Twitter for instance has become so emotionally charged and blood hungry that any opposition to the rhetoric has become equally as charged. It's very dangerous when full-time contrarians become martyrs.

Like yourself, I just try and keep my distance from it all and observe from a distance.

bmurphy19766y ago

Well your wrong in that some of us do in fact think Twitter, Facebook, and YouTube amongst others should be held accountable for not only allowing this stuff, but also promoting it (whether intentional or not). CloudFlare made the decision to drop 8chan thus this discussion is about that. That should be no surprise.

watwut6y ago

This is just not true. Twitter puts way more effort into blocking and controlling what goes on its platform then "we like living on the edge" 8chan. At this point, there was community that kept scores and celebrated shoot outs.

At this point, even original 8chan creator called to close 8chan.

cybersnowflakeOP6y ago

Oh so 8chan indeed moderates but not enough? Whats enough moderation by your standard and why should we go with that and not a more lenient one? So we should not only censor direct threats of violence we should also censor allegedly 'celebratory' posts that don't include a threat at all? Do you have any scientific proof that simply 'celebratory' posts cause violence too? Or are we just removing them because they're disgusting? You are aware that bad actors can and probably have come to stir up shit on 8chan to take it down right? Are you going to shut down a whole site because of these few people and they don't have the resources for all the whizbang algorithms that big sites like twitter uses to quickly remove posts but leave up tons of violent leftwing posts nobody care about?

PS 8chan for the most part is hardly edgey. There are a few eccentric groups in the subboards like all communities but in away its actually more like how the old internet used to be before, everything right of communism was 'far right'.

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