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0 pointsdragonwriter6y ago0 comments

Which equals?

= (existing) is statement assignment

== (existing) is expression equality

:= (new) is expression assignment

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Just 1 equals. It could assign a statement to a variable, and return that value/variable to the if statement to check for truthyness

   a=42
   if b = a:
     print(b)
   else:
     print("no")

Would print "42". It works in C

  int a,b;
  a=42;
  if(b=a){
    printf("%d\n",b);
  } else {
    printf("no\n");
  }

magicalhippo6y ago

It works in C, and have caused countless bugs in C (and C++).

So much so that many have adopted the rule that the variable goes on the right, "if 42 = b", to make sure the compiler barfs when you intended to write "if b == 42".

With := it's less likely that mistake is made. I also find it visually more distinct, so easier to parse, but that might be very subjective.

dragonwriterOP6y ago

That works if “if” statements were the only place the assignment expression operator could be used.

It works less well if they can be used everywhere an expression can occur, including the right side of assignments—especially since Python has both multiple (x = y, z) and chained (x = y = z) assignment, which can be used together.

What does this mean if = is used for both assignment statements and assignment expressions:

  x = y, z = 10, 20

When they are distinct, these have different meaning:

  x = y, z = 10, 20  # x: (10, 20), y: 10, z: 20
  x = y, z := 10, 20 # x: (<existing value of y>, (10, 20)), y: <unchanged>, z: (10, 20)

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