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0 pointsceejayoz7y ago0 comments

It's quite simple. Not smoking at all > vaping > cigarettes.

Massive progress has been made in getting kids not to take up smoking. If you're a smoker, switching to vaping is a good thing. If you're not, it's a bad thing.

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rsj_hn7y ago· 4 in thread

So do you support banning smoking weed?

ceejayozOP7y ago

I support legal medical marijuana, and decriminalization of recreational.

When vaping is discovered to have medical benefits, I'll happily change my stance on it. (I'd be happy to have vaping be prescription-only for smoking cessation, in a similar regulatory regime as many states' medical marijuana programs.)

p1mrx7y ago

I think education would work better than banning. The "vaping > smoking" comparison is even more apt for weed, because it can be vaped in its natural form, whereas nicotine needs additives like propylene glycol.

(That said, kids should avoid weed in any form, since it's known to affect brain development.)

xmprt7y ago

There's a difference between banning and criminalizing weed. You can support one without the other.

rsj_hn7y ago

1. What is the difference between banning and criminalizing? You are going to use the power of the state to punish someone that does not obey your ban, right? Is it about fines versus jail time?

2. Do you support SF treating weed the same as e-cigs?

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refurb7y ago· 2 in thread

This reminds me of the right wing stance on sex education.

Abstinence > safe sex > unsafe sex

Yes, the first is desirable, but let’s be serious, it’s not a reasonable goal for most people.

ceejayozOP7y ago

That's a silly comparison.

Smoking's been in a very successful decades-long decline due to public policy interventions. "Not smoking" is an entirely reasonable goal for most people.

refurb7y ago

Vaping isn’t smoking.

And my point was, teenagers are always going to use mind altering substances. Vaping is a mind altering substance.

People don’t like kids vaping because sobriety is the goal. And I’m saying that’s unrealistic.

undersuit7y ago

I picked up a refillable cart with two flavors, tobacco and blueberry. Maybe it wasn't the highest quality kit, but I still prefer the occasional pipe tobacco over vaping.

I took a long time deciding to try vaping. I've never liked cigarettes, cigars are a rare thing for me, and I usually let my pipe tobacco go stale. I was still quite worried about trying vaping regardless. I had the same worries you elude too. Vaping nicotine put the nail in the coffin for the idea that I'll start consuming tobacco addictively.

I have a completely different experience with cannabis BTW.

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rsj_hn7y ago· 4 in thread

So do you support banning smoking weed?

ceejayozOP7y ago

I support legal medical marijuana, and decriminalization of recreational.

p1mrx7y ago

(That said, kids should avoid weed in any form, since it's known to affect brain development.)

xmprt7y ago

There's a difference between banning and criminalizing weed. You can support one without the other.

rsj_hn7y ago

1. What is the difference between banning and criminalizing? You are going to use the power of the state to punish someone that does not obey your ban, right? Is it about fines versus jail time?

2. Do you support SF treating weed the same as e-cigs?

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refurb7y ago· 2 in thread

This reminds me of the right wing stance on sex education.

Abstinence > safe sex > unsafe sex

Yes, the first is desirable, but let’s be serious, it’s not a reasonable goal for most people.

ceejayozOP7y ago

That's a silly comparison.

Smoking's been in a very successful decades-long decline due to public policy interventions. "Not smoking" is an entirely reasonable goal for most people.

refurb7y ago

Vaping isn’t smoking.

And my point was, teenagers are always going to use mind altering substances. Vaping is a mind altering substance.

People don’t like kids vaping because sobriety is the goal. And I’m saying that’s unrealistic.

undersuit7y ago

I picked up a refillable cart with two flavors, tobacco and blueberry. Maybe it wasn't the highest quality kit, but I still prefer the occasional pipe tobacco over vaping.

I have a completely different experience with cannabis BTW.

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