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0 pointssmarkov7y ago0 comments

From the article you linked:

> Eating more red meat under the Paleo diet paired with a lack of whole grains results in higher levels of a biomarker linked to heart disease

WITH A LACK OF WHOLE GRAINS. Does that mean that red meat is the cause or that the lack of a balanced diet is the cause?

> The places in the world that have the best health are the ones that eat fewer animal products.

Where's the evidence for that claim? If we look at the life expectancy for each country:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expe...

The US ranks at #30 out of 180 which is quite decent despite their huge consumption of animal and more importantly processed foods. The countries which are at the bottom are there not because they consume animal products but because they have poor living conditions and little to no health care available. Meanwhile Japan is at #1 and all kinds of meats including raw are a frequent part of their diet.

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vfc17y ago· 4 in thread

It just means that the population cancer rates in general just keep rising, and adopters of the paleo diet which is promoted as a meat-based health diet have even higher levels of certain cancer biomarkers.

The current science says that processed meat is a known carcinogen, and red meat a likely carcinogen. This

The places with the highest lifespan have all low animal product diets and are known as the blue zones - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Zone

The health in the US is pretty bad, the rates of cancer, stroke, heart disease, and diabetes are at all-time highs and keep rising.

You can give drugs to people and keep them alive for longer, but in which conditions?

Did you see the source of the article? It's a journal sponsored by the meat industry - https://academic.oup.com/af/pages/About

HNestUnCulte7y ago

> Did you see the source of the article? It's a journal sponsored by the meat industry - https://academic.oup.com/af/pages/About

You keep repeating this all over this thread, but this is an academic journal specializing on animal agriculture (it says the same thing in the link). Besides, the OP should be discussed on its own.

vfc17y ago

Check the sponsors of the multiple organizations linked in the About page, here is one - https://academic.oup.com/af/pages/About

smarkovOP7y ago

What if the adopters of the paleo diet have turned to it because they are already suffering from a disease and it's the most popular healthy option?

While the animal products consumption per person has increased in the US, so have other factors such as stress, depression, loneliness, alcohol consumption and a sedentary lifestyle which all contribute to diseases. And if you pay close attention, the reduction of all these factors is what countries in the "blue zone" all have in common.

vfc17y ago

The level of the TMAO biomarker is higher in meat eaters especially paleo eaters, and lower in strict vegetarians.

Actually, strict vegetarians when fed meat won't even produce TMAO, because they don't have the gut bacteria that produces it as its a meat-eating bacteria.

Note that depression is also linked to food consumption and impaired gut health, which is linked to a diet heavy in animal products.

In the blue zones, clearly the biggest factor is the diet which is almost 100% plant based. There is this correlation between health and plant-based diets everywhere.

In the US for example, meat eaters have higher body weight than vegetarians, which have a higher body weight than strict vegetarians. Actually, strict vegetarians are the only ones of those groups that have a normal body weight.

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vfc17y ago· 4 in thread

The current science says that processed meat is a known carcinogen, and red meat a likely carcinogen. This

The places with the highest lifespan have all low animal product diets and are known as the blue zones - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Zone

The health in the US is pretty bad, the rates of cancer, stroke, heart disease, and diabetes are at all-time highs and keep rising.

You can give drugs to people and keep them alive for longer, but in which conditions?

Did you see the source of the article? It's a journal sponsored by the meat industry - https://academic.oup.com/af/pages/About

HNestUnCulte7y ago

> Did you see the source of the article? It's a journal sponsored by the meat industry - https://academic.oup.com/af/pages/About

You keep repeating this all over this thread, but this is an academic journal specializing on animal agriculture (it says the same thing in the link). Besides, the OP should be discussed on its own.

vfc17y ago

Check the sponsors of the multiple organizations linked in the About page, here is one - https://academic.oup.com/af/pages/About

smarkovOP7y ago

What if the adopters of the paleo diet have turned to it because they are already suffering from a disease and it's the most popular healthy option?

vfc17y ago

The level of the TMAO biomarker is higher in meat eaters especially paleo eaters, and lower in strict vegetarians.

Actually, strict vegetarians when fed meat won't even produce TMAO, because they don't have the gut bacteria that produces it as its a meat-eating bacteria.

Note that depression is also linked to food consumption and impaired gut health, which is linked to a diet heavy in animal products.

In the blue zones, clearly the biggest factor is the diet which is almost 100% plant based. There is this correlation between health and plant-based diets everywhere.

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