undefined | Better HN

0 pointsthe_mitsuhiko7y ago0 comments

And ideally all these things become properties to a configuration object which is then used to spawn a process.

0 comments

5 comments · 2 top-level

mort967y ago· 3 in thread

I'm not sure I agree it's the ideal way to do it. That's a heck of a lot of work for one function to do, and it necessarily duplicates the functionality of a ton of other functions. And that's ignoring the fact that forking without ever exec'ing can be really useful in many cases.

I haven't yet read the paper, but considering the incredible simplicity from the programmer's PoV that fork provides, and the fact that at least Linux makes it pretty god damn fast, especially compared to Windows' non-forking model, I can't really see myself agreeing with their conclusion.

eesmith7y ago

When you read the paper, you'll see this covered in section 6 ("REPLACING FORK") subsection "Low-level: Cross-process operations"

> While a spawn-like API is preferred for most instances of starting a program, for full generality it requires a flag, parameter, or new helper function controlling every possible aspect of process state. It is infeasible for a single OS API to give complete control over the initial state of a new process. ...

> clean-slate designs [e.g., 40, 43] have demonstrated an alternative model where system calls that modify per-process state are not constrained to merely the current process, but rather can manipulate any process to which the caller has access ...

> Retrofitting cross-process APIs into Unix seems at first glance challenging, but may also be productive for future research.

cryptonector7y ago

That has security considerations when spawning a process to run an executable that gets privilege on exec (think set-uid on Unix).

1 more reply

GoblinSlayer7y ago

Less general functions can call more general functions, like fork calls clone on Linux.

JdeBP7y ago

You could call it posix_spawn_file_actions_t and posix_spawnattr_t . (-:

j / k navigate · click thread line to collapse