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0 pointsmirimir6y ago0 comments

Sure, a lot of it may be parallel construction. We do know that the NSA shares with the FBI and other TLAs.

If your threat model includes the NSA or the like, VPN services are at best a minor hindrance. Possible options include Tor and "anonymously" using WiFi hotspots.

I only know of one fundamental fail for Tor: the relay-early bug that CMU exploited. The others have involved Firefox and Windows bugs. People using Whonix in Linux hosts, and hitting Tor through nested VPN chains, would have been safe from any attack that I've heard of. But then, maybe I just haven't heard of the juicy ones.

I've tried the "anonymously using WiFi hotspots" approach. It's a pain in the ass. And in today's high-surveillance environment, I believe that it's a dumb idea.

It's true that VPN leakage is a serious risk. But you can use firewall rules to prevent DNS and traffic leaks. Or you can use VPN services whose client apps do that for you.

Also, I'm talking about desktop use. Doing any of this on mobile devices is a lot harder, I think. I'm not sure that I'd even bother.

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mindslight6y ago

The quip about someone being sure absolutely no traffic went out their access IP is that without extreme confidence, they won't be pushing their lawyer/team to scrutinize the chain of custody for the server logs, hinging their case on procedural grounds. Someone diligent enough to setup proper firewall rules is probably also forethinking enough to not go cracking random newspaper websites for fun.

And yeah in regards to criminal activity, I think it would be prudent to consider the NSA, specifically bulk processing of dragnet surveillance, part of the threat model in the modern age. It's very easy for the public narrative to focus on a guilt-implying needle in a haystack, regardless of how that needle was actually found.

jedberg6y ago

> Possible options include Tor

I thought most folks believe that the NSA/CIA/some other TLA has control of more than 50% of the exit nodes, which should be enough to reconstruct the sources of most traffic.

deno6y ago

It seems rival agencies (Chinese, Russian) should be interested in doing the same, or at least denying NSA this capability. I mean adding some exit nodes is not exactly expensive, seems like a low hanging fruit, doesn’t it?

mirimirOP6y ago

Yeah, that's another argument. The NSA competes with its counterparts to own Tor infrastructure. And that competition prevents any one from owning enough to pwn users.

And it's no accident. Tor was designed that way.

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mirimirOP6y ago

Some people do. If that's true, all hope is lost ;)

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0 pointsmirimir6y ago0 comments

Sure, a lot of it may be parallel construction. We do know that the NSA shares with the FBI and other TLAs.

If your threat model includes the NSA or the like, VPN services are at best a minor hindrance. Possible options include Tor and "anonymously" using WiFi hotspots.

I've tried the "anonymously using WiFi hotspots" approach. It's a pain in the ass. And in today's high-surveillance environment, I believe that it's a dumb idea.

It's true that VPN leakage is a serious risk. But you can use firewall rules to prevent DNS and traffic leaks. Or you can use VPN services whose client apps do that for you.

Also, I'm talking about desktop use. Doing any of this on mobile devices is a lot harder, I think. I'm not sure that I'd even bother.

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mindslight6y ago

jedberg6y ago

> Possible options include Tor

I thought most folks believe that the NSA/CIA/some other TLA has control of more than 50% of the exit nodes, which should be enough to reconstruct the sources of most traffic.

deno6y ago

mirimirOP6y ago

Yeah, that's another argument. The NSA competes with its counterparts to own Tor infrastructure. And that competition prevents any one from owning enough to pwn users.

And it's no accident. Tor was designed that way.

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mirimirOP6y ago

Some people do. If that's true, all hope is lost ;)

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