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0 pointsben_w7y ago0 comments

> If every vote in which the outcome was swayed with misdirection and untruth was invalidated, we’d have to give up on democracy completely.

I would say the opposite: unless you do that, you have already given up on democracy.

> I certainly feel I had sufficient information to make an informed choice.

So do 93% of both leavers and remainers. Trouble is, these two groups disagree about which statements are true: is the EU democratic? Which is responsible for employment rights? For the level of immigration from Africa and the Middle East? How expensive is it? What benefits does it provide?

It is necessarily the case that around half the UK voters believe total nonsense. I know which side I believe, but that doesn’t really help.

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simonh7y ago

>I would say the opposite: unless you do that, you have already given up on democracy.

As you say yourself, despite all that has happened, the vast majority of leavers and remainers still believe in the same choice. Most of the issues are matters of opinion, not fact. Even if leaving the EU is a disaster, many Brexiteers will believe it was only disaster because "it wasn't done properly".

My take on that is, this was a risk they chose to accept when voting for Brexit and which I chose not to accept when voting for remain. However they won the vote, so we all took that risk.

ben_wOP7y ago

> Most of the issues are matters of opinion, not fact.

I don’t see how you can make this claim. Perhaps you have seen more mere-options than me?

simonh7y ago

The opinion that fewer immigrants will mean less crime. That our trade deal in the EU exposes our companies to unfair competition. That fewer immigrants will help preserve 'our' way of life. That we will be free to reach our own trade deals with other countries. Most of Brexit is about forward-looking hopes and expectations. I don't believe it, but it's hard to disprove because what do people even mean by 'our' culture, etc?

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0 pointsben_w7y ago0 comments

> If every vote in which the outcome was swayed with misdirection and untruth was invalidated, we’d have to give up on democracy completely.

I would say the opposite: unless you do that, you have already given up on democracy.

> I certainly feel I had sufficient information to make an informed choice.

It is necessarily the case that around half the UK voters believe total nonsense. I know which side I believe, but that doesn’t really help.

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simonh7y ago

>I would say the opposite: unless you do that, you have already given up on democracy.

My take on that is, this was a risk they chose to accept when voting for Brexit and which I chose not to accept when voting for remain. However they won the vote, so we all took that risk.

ben_wOP7y ago

> Most of the issues are matters of opinion, not fact.

I don’t see how you can make this claim. Perhaps you have seen more mere-options than me?

simonh7y ago

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