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0 pointssegmondy7y ago0 comments

Not a popular opinion, but these are usually non CS types that have flooded the fields later due to money. Not very skilled, but very entitled. The sense of entitlement is very ridiculous these days. I see folks outside the Bay asking why shouldn't they get paid the same as Bay area folks, when they want to remote from somewhere that has 1/3rd the cost of living. Or people outside the country with 1/10th the cost of living wanting USD rates. ... or literally "coders" who just know how to plumb software and build a basic CRUD wanting compensation that's on par with FAANG level. The world has lost it's damn mind and all I can do is SMH and watch with a grin.

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crumpets7y ago· 2 in thread

>I see folks outside the Bay asking why shouldn't they get paid the same as Bay area folks

Pay has nothing to do with cost of living. That's a lie told by companies as a negotiating tactic. You don't magically make the company more money by being in the bay area.

solidasparagus7y ago

Pay has a ton to do with the cost of living, because salary is the lowest amount you can offer while still enticing people to work for you - I'm not saying penny pinch every dollar, but business is not charity. You don't magically make the company more money by being in the bay area, but hiring in the bay area gives the company an advantage (or else they wouldn't do it) and they are willing to pay extra for that advantage.

moate7y ago

>>salary is the lowest amount you can offer while still enticing people to work for you >> business is not charity

And this is why unions exist. Even if managers try to be nice, even if the company gives out buckets of benefits and pays a living wage, this is the adversarial thought that exists in business currently. Management wants to pay the lowest they can, because that helps the business the most. They want to spend the least amount possible because that's the correct business choice.

Management/Ownership and Employees are frequently at odds when it comes to their goals, and changing the math from "me vs the company" to "the union vs the company" is a huge boon for employees.

geofft7y ago· 1 in thread

> I see folks outside the Bay asking why shouldn't they get paid the same as Bay area folks, when they want to remote from somewhere that has 1/3rd the cost of living.

Well, why shouldn't they? It's not like the company magically has more money available when they hire a non-remote employee, is it?

kgwgk7y ago

Supply and demand? There are tens of millions of programmers in the world.

dbancajas7y ago

You have any first hand experience with the "basic CRUD wanting FANG level salary" types?

dmos627y ago

Unionization has nothing to do with wages reflecting skills or living costs. Also, your anti-entitlement rant, ironically, gives off a strong scent of entitlement.

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